WEBVTT 00:00:33.413 --> 00:00:38.413 OCR'd and corrected by explosiveskull www.OpenSubtitles.org 00:01:49.776 --> 00:01:50.819 I'll give you a boost if you want. 00:01:50.902 --> 00:01:52.112 I don't need your help. 00:01:52.362 --> 00:01:54.072 Ooh. Hell, she got you, buddy. 00:01:54.698 --> 00:01:56.491 - Toss them beers. - Here you go. 00:01:56.908 --> 00:01:58.827 - You got it? - Okay, let's go! 00:01:59.119 --> 00:02:01.413 All right. All right. 00:02:02.164 --> 00:02:03.248 Hold up, hold up! The beer. 00:02:03.624 --> 00:02:04.875 Take this. Take this. Come on. 00:02:06.960 --> 00:02:07.961 These damn shoes! 00:02:24.811 --> 00:02:27.648 - Whoo! Come on in, it's warm! - Come on, buddy! 00:02:29.691 --> 00:02:32.110 Look, you can even wash your hair! 00:02:32.861 --> 00:02:34.363 I washed mine last month. 00:02:35.697 --> 00:02:37.157 Whoo! 00:02:43.830 --> 00:02:45.832 Laura, Keith, come here! Look what I found. 00:02:46.708 --> 00:02:47.793 - Holy shit. - What the hell's that? 00:02:48.001 --> 00:02:49.586 - What is it? - The hell you doing? 00:02:50.128 --> 00:02:51.880 Get out of here, now! 00:02:52.255 --> 00:02:54.132 - Geez! - Come on! 00:02:58.178 --> 00:02:59.721 Goddamn kids. 00:03:17.155 --> 00:03:18.615 Turn off the beam, fool! 00:04:27.726 --> 00:04:30.353 Steve from Dow, Ted from Union Carbide... 00:04:30.812 --> 00:04:33.690 Jerry from Exxon and Andy from Allied. 00:04:34.691 --> 00:04:36.526 Welcome to Taft Law, gentlemen. 00:04:37.736 --> 00:04:40.280 Before we get started, a little housekeeping. 00:04:40.363 --> 00:04:42.240 Um, all of you know this young man 00:04:42.324 --> 00:04:44.493 as the dedicated Taft associate 00:04:44.576 --> 00:04:46.328 who for the past eight years has 00:04:47.287 --> 00:04:49.372 buried himself in the Superfund law. 00:04:49.664 --> 00:04:50.874 I'm not paying for that cleanup. 00:04:51.208 --> 00:04:53.710 Still it is my pleasure to share with you 00:04:54.169 --> 00:04:57.339 that just last week, Rob Bilott was welcomed as a partner 00:04:57.422 --> 00:05:00.258 here at Taft, Stettinius & Hollister. 00:05:03.470 --> 00:05:05.889 Good morning. Taft Law. One moment. I'll connect you. 00:05:09.267 --> 00:05:10.560 Good morning. Taft Law. 00:05:11.561 --> 00:05:12.562 One moment, please. 00:05:16.608 --> 00:05:19.027 It's the Governor's office calling for uh, 00:05:19.694 --> 00:05:20.862 calling for Mr. Burke. 00:05:24.032 --> 00:05:25.033 May I help you? 00:05:25.408 --> 00:05:27.369 Wilbur Tennant calling on Robbie Bilott. 00:05:28.078 --> 00:05:29.955 EPA has saddled them with the whole bill 00:05:30.038 --> 00:05:32.040 and given your client's history at that site, 00:05:32.123 --> 00:05:33.708 that's a real possibility. 00:05:34.292 --> 00:05:38.171 - I'll take it back to them. - Good. Tab 12, Middletown... 00:05:38.338 --> 00:05:40.465 I know. I'm sorry. 00:05:40.966 --> 00:05:43.134 - But they won't leave. - Who's they? 00:05:43.927 --> 00:05:46.179 I don't know. They say they know you. 00:05:50.851 --> 00:05:53.311 - Um... - Robert Bilott? 00:05:53.770 --> 00:05:56.231 Um, yes. 00:05:57.899 --> 00:06:00.652 They call it a landfill. A dump's what it is. 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:03.864 They told my brother and me no chemicals, just trash. 00:06:03.947 --> 00:06:05.198 But we ain't stupid. 00:06:05.448 --> 00:06:08.034 I made them videotapes myself. All the proof you need. 00:06:08.118 --> 00:06:09.995 They're poisonin' the creek, killing my animals. 00:06:10.078 --> 00:06:12.122 - I'm in the middle of a meeting. - So, I want a lawyer. 00:06:12.205 --> 00:06:14.833 Every damn one in Parkersburg's too yella to take my case. 00:06:14.916 --> 00:06:16.626 Rob. He wants you back in there. 00:06:16.710 --> 00:06:18.545 They all scared shitless at DuPont. 00:06:18.628 --> 00:06:19.880 Well, I ain't scared of nobody. 00:06:19.963 --> 00:06:21.548 Okay. Kathleen is my paralegal. 00:06:21.631 --> 00:06:23.758 She's gonna give you a directory of lawyers. 00:06:23.842 --> 00:06:25.260 That's why I called your grandma. 00:06:27.596 --> 00:06:29.556 - What? - My neighbor who tells me, 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:30.807 call Alma White. 00:06:31.474 --> 00:06:34.477 Her grandson's some fancy environment lawyer down in Cincinnati. 00:06:39.858 --> 00:06:43.111 Sir, I am a corporate defense attorney. 00:06:43.570 --> 00:06:46.031 - So? - I defend chemical companies. 00:06:46.156 --> 00:06:48.992 - Well, now you can defend me. - Rob! 00:06:50.368 --> 00:06:52.245 Uh, 30 seconds, Tom. 00:06:53.204 --> 00:06:55.123 - Uh, I'm sorry, Mr... - Tennant. 00:06:55.582 --> 00:06:57.250 I can offer you a referral. 00:06:57.334 --> 00:07:00.211 But I just don't see how I can be of any help to you. 00:07:00.295 --> 00:07:02.380 You can start by watching them tapes for one thing. 00:07:02.464 --> 00:07:03.965 Oh, let's go, Earl. 00:07:04.090 --> 00:07:06.885 I'm sorry. I... I wish you all the luck. 00:07:06.968 --> 00:07:08.178 I don't need your damn luck, boy! 00:07:08.261 --> 00:07:09.638 - I need your help! - Rob! 00:07:13.058 --> 00:07:14.142 Come on. 00:07:21.358 --> 00:07:23.401 I'm not arguing with the overall analysis. 00:07:23.818 --> 00:07:26.571 My only point is that whatever we decide upon... 00:07:32.243 --> 00:07:33.244 Thank you, gentlemen. 00:07:35.872 --> 00:07:36.873 Do you know where we're going? 00:07:37.916 --> 00:07:39.668 There's a place right around the corner. 00:07:39.793 --> 00:07:41.836 - Yeah? - What the hell was that all about? 00:07:42.963 --> 00:07:45.423 - He knows my grandmother. - Really? 00:07:45.715 --> 00:07:47.884 Well, my mom's from West Virginia. 00:07:47.968 --> 00:07:49.844 Uh, from a town, Parkersburg. 00:07:50.303 --> 00:07:52.764 Not us. My... my father was Air Force. 00:07:52.847 --> 00:07:54.057 We... We moved around a lot, 00:07:54.140 --> 00:07:55.266 but we spent the summers there. 00:07:55.392 --> 00:07:57.644 - Come on, Terp. You're buying. - Of course I am. 00:07:59.396 --> 00:08:01.231 You can be from West Virginia, Rob. 00:08:02.148 --> 00:08:03.525 I won't tell anyone. 00:08:09.322 --> 00:08:11.408 All right, gentlemen. Morton's it is. 00:08:13.284 --> 00:08:15.537 Still deigned to eat with us lowly associates? 00:08:18.164 --> 00:08:19.749 You can't drive an American car. 00:08:21.167 --> 00:08:24.004 Taft-Hartley, union busting? 00:08:24.087 --> 00:08:25.755 We practically invented it. 00:08:26.006 --> 00:08:27.048 "We?" 00:08:27.132 --> 00:08:28.967 Besides, I know a highly esteemed partner 00:08:29.050 --> 00:08:30.135 who still drives American. 00:08:30.218 --> 00:08:31.511 - Some real clunkers too. - Okay, 00:08:31.678 --> 00:08:33.346 yeah, but he collects them. 00:08:33.513 --> 00:08:35.140 That's different. Like his 00:08:35.223 --> 00:08:36.725 no-name college and law school. 00:08:36.808 --> 00:08:37.976 - No offense. - Are you listening to this? 00:08:38.059 --> 00:08:39.394 Hey, you guys go ahead, all right? 00:08:39.894 --> 00:08:42.397 - Look, I didn't mean anything by it. - No. I gotta make a call. 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:43.481 It's all right. I'll see you there. 00:08:43.565 --> 00:08:44.941 Okay, we'll save you a fish log. 00:08:47.777 --> 00:08:50.030 - You can be such an asshole. - Karla, it was a joke. 00:08:50.572 --> 00:08:51.906 - Yeah. - We always joke. 00:08:51.990 --> 00:08:53.825 Oh, yeah. You guys are a couple of jokesters. 00:09:03.376 --> 00:09:06.296 You've reached the residence of Alma White. 00:09:06.755 --> 00:09:08.631 I can't come to the phone right now... 00:09:09.716 --> 00:09:12.052 He's good. He's home early tonight actually. 00:09:13.219 --> 00:09:15.055 Tell him I said, howdy, partner. 00:09:15.555 --> 00:09:16.639 She says, "Howdy, partner." 00:09:17.098 --> 00:09:18.808 Are we ever gonna see him again on Sundays? 00:09:18.892 --> 00:09:20.935 Yes, he can still come to Sunday dinners, Mom. 00:09:21.019 --> 00:09:23.146 He's a partner, not the President of the United States. 00:09:23.229 --> 00:09:25.023 I wanna make... Do you have my Bundt pan? 00:09:25.106 --> 00:09:26.107 Returned it. 00:09:26.191 --> 00:09:27.233 Where? I looked under the counter. 00:09:27.317 --> 00:09:29.694 It's the right hand cupboard, in the plastic. Yeah. 00:09:30.945 --> 00:09:32.572 Okay, well, we just sat down. 00:09:32.655 --> 00:09:33.656 All right, dear. 00:09:33.740 --> 00:09:34.824 So, I gotta go. 00:09:34.908 --> 00:09:35.909 Love to Rob and Teddy. 00:09:35.992 --> 00:09:37.494 All right, see you Sunday. Love to Dad. 00:09:37.577 --> 00:09:38.578 Talk to you later. 00:09:38.661 --> 00:09:39.913 Can you pretend to be surprised about the cake? 00:09:39.996 --> 00:09:41.331 She wants it to be very special. 00:09:42.248 --> 00:09:44.250 Oh, and the granite samples came in. 00:09:44.334 --> 00:09:45.794 Can you pick them up on your way home tomorrow? 00:09:45.877 --> 00:09:47.337 - Mmm. - Rob? 00:09:47.587 --> 00:09:48.713 Hmm? Uh, sure. 00:09:55.595 --> 00:09:56.638 You okay? 00:09:57.097 --> 00:09:58.098 Yes. 00:09:59.015 --> 00:10:00.391 Bless us, our Lord and thy gifts 00:10:00.475 --> 00:10:02.102 which we are about to receive from thy bounty 00:10:02.185 --> 00:10:03.394 through Christ our Lord. Amen. 00:10:03.728 --> 00:10:05.563 Thank you, God. Thank you for our family. 00:11:04.831 --> 00:11:05.832 Thank you. 00:11:45.788 --> 00:11:50.210 - Hi, Grammers. - What on earth! 00:11:52.337 --> 00:11:53.963 I tried to call, but you weren't picking up. 00:11:54.047 --> 00:11:57.425 Oh, well, you know me. My two fake knees. 00:11:57.508 --> 00:12:00.762 What are you doing here? 00:12:02.680 --> 00:12:05.767 A farmer came to see me. 00:12:08.186 --> 00:12:09.479 Wilbur Tennant? 00:12:09.979 --> 00:12:11.189 You do know him. 00:12:11.272 --> 00:12:14.359 I don't socialize with him, if that's what you mean. 00:12:16.027 --> 00:12:18.738 Inez Graham owned the farm next to his. 00:12:19.322 --> 00:12:22.075 I used to take you and Beth over there when you were little. 00:12:23.201 --> 00:12:24.285 That's the place? 00:12:38.299 --> 00:12:39.300 Hmm. 00:12:41.135 --> 00:12:42.845 - You rode that pony. - Ah! 00:12:44.514 --> 00:12:45.932 I loved that place. 00:12:47.141 --> 00:12:49.143 Saw a cow for the first time. 00:12:50.019 --> 00:12:51.104 Learned to milk it. 00:12:51.980 --> 00:12:53.731 I remember you sittin' there for hours 00:12:53.815 --> 00:12:56.276 making sure you got every last drop. 00:12:56.818 --> 00:12:57.944 Just like you. 00:12:59.779 --> 00:13:00.780 There. 00:13:01.698 --> 00:13:02.699 Hmm. 00:13:03.199 --> 00:13:04.492 So you gonna help him? 00:13:05.493 --> 00:13:06.494 Huh? 00:13:55.168 --> 00:13:58.629 You come up the holler, dump's up the hill. 00:14:01.924 --> 00:14:04.093 Since I started complaining about my creek, 00:14:04.177 --> 00:14:06.554 fence goes up. All blocked off. 00:14:12.560 --> 00:14:13.853 Hi, I'm Rob. 00:14:14.604 --> 00:14:15.605 Sandra. 00:14:17.148 --> 00:14:21.194 The State, any veterinarian I've called in Parkersburg, 00:14:22.445 --> 00:14:24.530 they will not return my phone calls. 00:14:24.614 --> 00:14:26.199 Like I bite the hand that feeds. 00:14:26.282 --> 00:14:27.909 - No, it's all right. I've already... - This here's a gall. 00:14:28.910 --> 00:14:30.203 Look at the size of it. Ain't never seen 00:14:30.286 --> 00:14:31.996 no gall that big. Bigger than the heart. 00:14:33.206 --> 00:14:34.415 That your cows'? 00:14:34.499 --> 00:14:35.583 Look at them teeth. 00:14:38.294 --> 00:14:40.505 Black as night. Here. 00:14:44.258 --> 00:14:46.719 Hoof, all turned in on itself. 00:14:46.803 --> 00:14:48.805 Half my calves born with hooves like that. 00:14:52.392 --> 00:14:54.602 Tumor, I done cut off the back a heifer. 00:14:54.685 --> 00:14:56.270 How'd ya like that on your table? 00:15:00.566 --> 00:15:02.193 What am I looking for? 00:15:03.277 --> 00:15:04.529 You blind, boy? 00:15:05.321 --> 00:15:07.907 Stones as white as the hairs on my head. 00:15:09.075 --> 00:15:11.536 Bleached! That's chemicals, I'm telling ya. 00:15:13.162 --> 00:15:16.249 My animals drink this water. Cool off in 'er. 00:15:16.833 --> 00:15:19.669 Get them bloody welts, them dead eyes. 00:15:19.752 --> 00:15:21.754 Charge at me, crazy-like. 00:15:21.838 --> 00:15:23.881 Animals that used to eat out of my own hand. 00:15:29.387 --> 00:15:30.555 Where are the rest of them? 00:15:32.515 --> 00:15:33.599 Come on. 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:49.449 Beginnin', I'd bury 'em. Each one. They're family. 00:15:51.159 --> 00:15:54.203 It got to be so many, pile 'em up, set fire to... 00:15:57.665 --> 00:15:59.876 How many did you lose? 00:16:00.501 --> 00:16:02.962 190. 00:16:04.547 --> 00:16:06.674 190 cows? 00:16:06.757 --> 00:16:08.676 You tell me nothing's wrong here. 00:16:16.142 --> 00:16:19.896 And this landfill wasn't always here? 00:16:20.605 --> 00:16:24.984 No. My brother Jim used to dig ditches over at the DuPont plant. 00:16:25.234 --> 00:16:27.612 Got sick, couldn't do it no more. 00:16:27.904 --> 00:16:30.907 One day they come to him, offering to buy his land right up that holler. 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:34.202 They promised no chemicals. 00:16:34.410 --> 00:16:37.038 And I assume you reached out to DuPont? 00:16:37.121 --> 00:16:38.998 DuPont, the State, the Feds. 00:16:39.081 --> 00:16:41.459 I called everybody there is dozens of times. 00:16:42.168 --> 00:16:44.587 - EPA finally comes out here. - Oh, they did. 00:16:44.837 --> 00:16:47.590 - All for some report. - What did it say? 00:16:47.924 --> 00:16:49.383 You think they're gonna show me? 00:17:15.284 --> 00:17:16.452 Okay. 00:17:20.623 --> 00:17:24.877 He's been like this all day. Okay. Go on. 00:17:29.924 --> 00:17:32.009 Of course, you're a perfect angel for Daddy. 00:17:34.720 --> 00:17:38.140 - Did you get the tile? - Um, I'm sorry. No. 00:17:39.392 --> 00:17:40.476 Rob. 00:17:42.687 --> 00:17:44.355 I didn't drive into town today. I'm sorry. 00:17:45.314 --> 00:17:47.483 What do you mean you didn't drive into town? 00:17:48.109 --> 00:17:49.569 I had to go to Parkersburg. 00:17:50.903 --> 00:17:53.281 Parkersburg? Why'd you have to go to Parkersburg? 00:17:54.657 --> 00:17:56.659 I may have a client there. 00:17:57.493 --> 00:18:00.538 In West Virginia? What kind of a case would you have? 00:18:01.581 --> 00:18:04.458 He's a farmer. He knows my Grammer. Not well, but... 00:18:05.167 --> 00:18:09.088 So, you saw her? Was your mother there? 00:18:09.171 --> 00:18:12.425 Oh, come on, Sarah. I didn't sneak off to see my mother. 00:18:13.342 --> 00:18:15.678 - So, why did you sneak off? - I didn't. 00:18:18.681 --> 00:18:21.976 Our speaker tonight's no Stranger to the Taft family. 00:18:22.977 --> 00:18:25.771 Phillip Donnelly, Phil to us, 00:18:26.188 --> 00:18:28.899 serves as in-house Corporate Counsel at DuPont. 00:18:29.692 --> 00:18:33.362 Not only one of America's most revered chemical companies, 00:18:34.030 --> 00:18:36.949 but one of the few giants of the industry 00:18:37.033 --> 00:18:40.244 - that Taft doesn't represent. - Not yet anyway! 00:18:40.745 --> 00:18:42.913 That's the spirit, James. 00:18:44.123 --> 00:18:47.668 We asked Phil here tonight, not just to show him what he's missing, 00:18:48.044 --> 00:18:51.297 but to hear how a renowned leader of our industry 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:55.801 stays that way. Please welcome Phil Donnelly. 00:18:59.305 --> 00:19:01.390 - Wish me luck. - Go get 'em, Phil! 00:19:01.474 --> 00:19:02.475 Thank you. 00:19:02.558 --> 00:19:06.062 At DuPont, we're not producing chemicals for chemical's sake. 00:19:06.145 --> 00:19:07.897 We're producing them for people's sake. 00:19:08.147 --> 00:19:10.524 To make folks' lives easier. 00:19:10.983 --> 00:19:13.069 Happier, longer. 00:19:14.403 --> 00:19:18.616 That's why better living through chemistry 00:19:19.450 --> 00:19:21.494 is not just a slogan at DuPont. 00:19:23.079 --> 00:19:24.664 It's our DNA. 00:19:29.752 --> 00:19:31.587 - Hey, Rob. - Hello, Phil. 00:19:31.712 --> 00:19:34.090 - Is it true what Tom tells me? - Yeah, it's true. 00:19:34.173 --> 00:19:36.425 - Well, good on them. They're lucky to have you. - Thanks, Phil. 00:19:36.717 --> 00:19:38.469 Like I always tell my younger associates, 00:19:38.552 --> 00:19:40.805 just keep your head down and do the work. 00:19:40.888 --> 00:19:45.059 Thanks. Uh, Phil, can I ask you sort of an odd question? 00:19:45.267 --> 00:19:46.477 Shoot. 00:19:46.644 --> 00:19:49.146 Does the name Wilbur Tennant ring a bell? 00:19:50.398 --> 00:19:52.233 - Tennet, did you say? - Tennant. 00:19:52.775 --> 00:19:54.068 No. Not that I recall. 00:19:54.151 --> 00:19:56.779 Mr. Tennant's a farmer from West Virginia. 00:19:56.862 --> 00:20:00.074 His property abuts one of your landfills, Dry Run. 00:20:00.157 --> 00:20:01.826 And his cows have been getting sick. 00:20:01.909 --> 00:20:05.996 He thinks possibly because of the runoff from the landfill into his creek. 00:20:06.080 --> 00:20:07.832 You're kidding me. How did this come to you? 00:20:07.915 --> 00:20:11.085 - Hey, Phil! - He's a farmer. He's... 00:20:12.044 --> 00:20:14.088 My grandmother's from Parkersburg. 00:20:14.171 --> 00:20:16.257 Really? Washington Works. Great plant. 00:20:16.382 --> 00:20:18.884 - Right. She knows the Tennants. - So Grandma's on your back? 00:20:18.968 --> 00:20:20.720 Something like that. Anyway, uh... 00:20:21.971 --> 00:20:25.558 The farmer said the EPA came out, took a look around. I wondered... 00:20:25.725 --> 00:20:27.601 - The name of the landfill again? - Dry Run. 00:20:28.060 --> 00:20:29.729 Dry Run. Dry... 00:20:30.062 --> 00:20:32.022 You know, that does ring a bell, now that you mention it. 00:20:32.106 --> 00:20:33.941 We may have even sent some folks out there. 00:20:34.191 --> 00:20:36.152 If I remember correctly, help EPA check it out. 00:20:36.235 --> 00:20:39.488 That's gotta be it. So, I'd love to share whatever came of that 00:20:39.572 --> 00:20:41.615 with Mr. Tennant. Help settle his nerves. 00:20:41.741 --> 00:20:44.535 Absolutely. Soon as I'm back in Wilmington, I'll take a look. 00:20:44.660 --> 00:20:47.496 - Thanks, Phil. I really appreciate it. - Happy to do it. 00:20:47.580 --> 00:20:50.958 Now, let's get a drink and toast you, my friend. You. 00:20:51.917 --> 00:20:53.043 Okay. 00:21:01.218 --> 00:21:02.470 Mr. Tennant! 00:21:10.144 --> 00:21:13.022 Mr. Tennant, I have the report. 00:21:15.357 --> 00:21:18.402 Sons of bitches! Who the hell they think they are? 00:21:19.195 --> 00:21:21.197 - Who gives them the right? - It's an evaluation. 00:21:21.280 --> 00:21:24.074 Evalu, Hatchet job's what it is. 00:21:25.075 --> 00:21:28.245 I been farming my entire life. Entire life! 00:21:28.662 --> 00:21:31.540 You read that. You tell me you recognize my farm. 00:21:31.624 --> 00:21:33.083 - Mr. Tennant... - Read it! 00:21:36.462 --> 00:21:39.006 "The herd health investigation revealed 00:21:39.089 --> 00:21:41.383 "deficiency in herd management. 00:21:42.092 --> 00:21:44.678 "Including poor nutrition, 00:21:45.304 --> 00:21:49.892 "inadequate veterinary care and lack of fly control." 00:21:50.100 --> 00:21:51.685 You see any flies here? 00:21:52.812 --> 00:21:53.896 It's snowing. 00:21:54.188 --> 00:21:56.357 Can't stop making excuses for 'em, can you? 00:21:58.108 --> 00:22:00.945 It could be pests. They consulted a vet. 00:22:01.195 --> 00:22:02.780 Whose vet? DuPont? 00:22:06.116 --> 00:22:09.829 Look at yourself. Swallowin' whole, whatever they been feeding ya. 00:22:09.912 --> 00:22:11.163 Can't tell truth from lie. 00:22:13.624 --> 00:22:15.084 You even watch them tapes I gave you? 00:22:15.167 --> 00:22:18.379 - Sir, I am trying to help! - Quiet. 00:22:19.046 --> 00:22:21.465 - Trying to help. - Stop movin'. 00:22:29.348 --> 00:22:31.517 Easy, now. Easy. 00:22:35.104 --> 00:22:37.481 Get in. Slow. 00:23:03.924 --> 00:23:05.217 Forgive me, girl. 00:23:29.575 --> 00:23:31.035 Jesus. 00:24:25.923 --> 00:24:27.800 Need something to warm you up right about now? 00:24:28.550 --> 00:24:30.552 Well, how about this? 00:24:34.348 --> 00:24:39.061 Almost heaven, West Virginia 00:24:40.104 --> 00:24:45.943 Blue Ridge Mountains, Shenandoah River 00:24:47.361 --> 00:24:52.324 Life is old there, older than the trees 00:24:52.449 --> 00:24:57.496 Younger than the mountains Blowing like the breeze 00:24:57.663 --> 00:25:03.043 Country roads, take me home 00:25:03.419 --> 00:25:06.130 To the place... 00:25:06.463 --> 00:25:09.174 I belong 00:25:09.341 --> 00:25:12.011 West Virginia... 00:25:12.219 --> 00:25:14.888 mountain mama 00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:17.307 Take me home... 00:25:17.516 --> 00:25:22.479 ...this cow's eyes are cloudy with pink eyes is what they'll call it. 00:25:22.771 --> 00:25:25.149 Anyway, her eyes are sunk way back in her head. 00:25:25.899 --> 00:25:29.028 She's poor as a whippoorwill. 00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:35.451 And I'm gonna cut her open and find out what caused her to die. 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:37.953 Because I was feeding her enough feed... 00:25:38.037 --> 00:25:40.414 that she should've gained weight instead of losin' weight. 00:25:41.457 --> 00:25:43.083 This is what her teeth looks like. 00:25:45.669 --> 00:25:47.671 That's the upper one. 00:25:47.838 --> 00:25:52.426 But this one here, I've never seen anything like it in my lifetime. 00:25:53.802 --> 00:25:55.220 Even the veterinarian, he admitted... 00:25:55.304 --> 00:25:58.891 he never saw anything like this before in his life either. 00:26:08.776 --> 00:26:13.322 So, what are you proposing we do? 00:26:13.489 --> 00:26:17.993 File a claim, trigger discovery and find out what's in that landfill. 00:26:18.952 --> 00:26:20.996 - You wanna sue DuPont? - Targeted. 00:26:22.122 --> 00:26:25.709 - Property dispute. Routine stuff. - Not routine. Not around here. 00:26:25.793 --> 00:26:28.378 I know, but, Tom, if you'd actually seen it. 00:26:28.462 --> 00:26:32.549 His farm is like a graveyard. There's something very wrong. 00:26:32.633 --> 00:26:35.219 So, he should hire a local lawyer. 00:26:35.302 --> 00:26:38.138 None of them will do it. They're all terrified of DuPont. 00:26:38.263 --> 00:26:40.432 - Well, what does that tell you? - We know DuPont. 00:26:41.183 --> 00:26:42.726 They're gonna wanna hear 00:26:42.810 --> 00:26:45.479 if some of their local guys are screwing something up. 00:26:45.562 --> 00:26:48.565 Oh, so they're gonna thank us for suing. 00:26:48.649 --> 00:26:50.192 Better us than the EPA. 00:26:50.442 --> 00:26:52.945 I mean, new partners are supposed to bring in business, right? 00:26:53.028 --> 00:26:55.447 So, your farmer can swing 275 an hour? 00:26:55.531 --> 00:26:57.449 It'd be on contingency. 00:26:58.033 --> 00:27:01.078 Jesus. What are we, coupon chasers now? 00:27:01.161 --> 00:27:04.915 It's a small matter for a family friend. I'll get in and I'll get out. 00:27:06.125 --> 00:27:09.670 - Help a guy that needs it. - Who? The farmer or you? 00:27:30.107 --> 00:27:32.025 Surgical. You hear me? 00:27:32.109 --> 00:27:33.443 Absolutely. Thank you. 00:27:35.946 --> 00:27:38.782 Come on, Rob. Of course, I'm gonna take your call. 00:27:39.032 --> 00:27:41.785 Even though, I was, I admit, a little surprised. 00:27:42.077 --> 00:27:44.288 I mean, getting sued by Taft Law. 00:27:45.122 --> 00:27:47.833 It's not every day. Or any day, frankly. 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:49.334 I know. I'm sorry. 00:27:49.418 --> 00:27:52.921 Look, you and I are friends. This is a minor issue. 00:27:53.005 --> 00:27:55.215 No reason it should get messy. 00:27:55.299 --> 00:27:59.136 Thank you. I totally agree. Yeah, I'm putting you on speaker phone. 00:28:01.180 --> 00:28:04.433 So, you wanna know if we violated our permits. 00:28:04.725 --> 00:28:05.767 Pretty much, yeah. 00:28:06.393 --> 00:28:09.021 Okay, then. I'll have our guys send over anything... 00:28:09.104 --> 00:28:11.440 related to hazardous wastes at Dry Run. 00:28:11.523 --> 00:28:14.693 And I'll tell them to hurry it up this time. How's that? 00:28:14.776 --> 00:28:18.322 - Thank you. That sounds great. - And don't stress. I forgive you. 00:28:18.697 --> 00:28:19.740 Thanks, Phil. 00:28:41.845 --> 00:28:43.305 You took your baby into the office? 00:28:43.388 --> 00:28:46.475 - I needed a bigger trunk. - Why? 00:28:47.100 --> 00:28:49.603 Discovery for the Tennant case came in today. 00:28:49.686 --> 00:28:54.691 Oh. Oh, you started before me. You're so fast! Whoa. 00:28:54.775 --> 00:28:56.568 Good boy. 00:28:56.652 --> 00:28:58.570 Rob's missing such a lovely day. 00:28:59.529 --> 00:29:02.699 Law's a jealous mistress, Mom. Means it comes with the territory. 00:29:02.783 --> 00:29:04.117 Let's go over here! 00:29:04.451 --> 00:29:07.371 Nice! Thank you! That's what I'm talking about right there. 00:29:11.291 --> 00:29:13.085 All right. Let's go. One more. One more. All right. 00:29:32.187 --> 00:29:33.313 Poly... 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:34.648 Is that... 00:29:51.456 --> 00:29:52.958 No. 00:30:00.340 --> 00:30:03.176 - How's my favorite plaintiff's attorney? - Hey, help me out, will ya? 00:30:03.260 --> 00:30:05.637 You're a run of a mill dump, nothing but trash. 00:30:05.804 --> 00:30:07.306 You sound like my first girlfriend. 00:30:08.807 --> 00:30:13.020 Why a requisition order for 55-gallon containers? 00:30:13.395 --> 00:30:15.689 Conspiracy. Standard size drums. 00:30:15.772 --> 00:30:20.819 Ash, ash-byproduct, glass tubing, plastic, paper waste. It's just trash. 00:30:20.986 --> 00:30:23.864 You pile it onto a truck, drive it away. You don't pack it into drums. 00:30:23.989 --> 00:30:26.366 - So, they've got liquid waste. - Not hazardous. 00:30:26.825 --> 00:30:30.162 Or they'd have to disclose it. So, what is killing these cows? 00:30:30.329 --> 00:30:32.748 - It's not paper and ash. - Well, maybe it's human error. 00:30:32.914 --> 00:30:35.167 They're dumping something in there they don't know is toxic. 00:30:35.625 --> 00:30:39.588 Kim, it's DuPont. They know more than the EPA does. 00:30:39.755 --> 00:30:41.673 Everyone knows more than the EPA does. 00:30:41.840 --> 00:30:43.800 Why else would they let us regulate ourselves? 00:30:46.136 --> 00:30:48.889 - What? - Do we? 00:30:49.097 --> 00:30:50.515 Do we what? 00:30:51.808 --> 00:30:54.895 The EPA only started regulating chemicals in '76. 00:30:54.978 --> 00:30:56.021 Yeah? 00:30:56.104 --> 00:30:59.691 They grandfather in every existing chemical, non-hazardous, 00:30:59.775 --> 00:31:03.737 unless they knew it was hazardous or a company told them it was. 00:31:03.820 --> 00:31:06.531 - We're saying the same thing. - No, we're not. I'm saying 00:31:06.615 --> 00:31:10.118 what if a company didn't tell? 00:31:11.828 --> 00:31:13.538 What if 00:31:13.622 --> 00:31:17.417 the reason Phil Donnelly agreed to discovery on hazardous 00:31:17.501 --> 00:31:19.127 is because he knows 00:31:19.753 --> 00:31:22.839 whatever's in that landfill isn't even regulated? 00:31:23.215 --> 00:31:25.967 Okay, now you are sounding like a plaintiff's attorney. 00:31:26.551 --> 00:31:29.179 - I've got a meeting. - Hey, oh, wait, one second. 00:31:29.388 --> 00:31:33.183 Have you heard of this, um, PFOA? 00:31:34.101 --> 00:31:35.227 No. 00:31:35.435 --> 00:31:38.730 You know, it's mentioned here, but I can't find anything about it 00:31:38.814 --> 00:31:41.274 in any of the literature. I don't even know if it's a chemical. 00:31:41.858 --> 00:31:44.861 - Ask Phil. - Well, thank you. 00:31:45.529 --> 00:31:48.156 As I said, Mr. Donnelly is still out of town. 00:31:48.323 --> 00:31:51.910 I called last week and left two messages and haven't heard back from him. 00:31:51.993 --> 00:31:53.829 I'll be sure to tell him that you called again. 00:31:53.912 --> 00:31:55.580 Okay. Damn it. 00:31:56.873 --> 00:31:59.334 - Your tickets to the Chemical Alliance dinner. - Argh... 00:31:59.668 --> 00:32:02.462 And, no, dark suit is not the same as black tie. 00:32:04.047 --> 00:32:05.132 Wouldn't he be going? 00:32:35.871 --> 00:32:39.040 I don't know if Rob told you, but I was a receptionist at Taft 00:32:39.124 --> 00:32:40.625 - before law school. - Is that right? 00:32:40.709 --> 00:32:42.669 But well, I think the right Bilott ended up there. 00:32:42.752 --> 00:32:44.421 Harold, you're not getting away from me. 00:32:44.504 --> 00:32:46.381 - Would you excuse me? - Sure, it was... 00:32:46.465 --> 00:32:48.842 - It's great to see you. - When is the... 00:32:48.925 --> 00:32:50.886 That's funny. 00:32:51.636 --> 00:32:54.347 Right away, I saw a little of myself in Rob. 00:32:54.514 --> 00:32:56.641 - Oh! - One black sheep to another. 00:32:56.808 --> 00:32:59.102 - My dad was a steel worker, you know. - Was he? 00:32:59.269 --> 00:33:01.188 Have you seen Phil? 00:33:01.730 --> 00:33:03.231 No. 00:33:03.523 --> 00:33:06.902 - So, you're an attorney? - Oh, recovering. 00:33:07.194 --> 00:33:09.696 I represented employers in workmen's comp disputes. 00:33:09.779 --> 00:33:12.032 But now, I stay at home with our baby. 00:33:12.365 --> 00:33:14.910 Well, that's the thing with lady lawyers. 00:33:15.660 --> 00:33:17.162 I wanna say hi to the Dow folks. Have you seen them? 00:33:17.245 --> 00:33:18.663 No, I've been looking for Phil. 00:33:18.747 --> 00:33:20.165 Did I tell you they sent me some work? 00:33:20.332 --> 00:33:23.793 - Dow? That's great! - Just a small project. Like a try-out. 00:33:23.877 --> 00:33:27.172 But if I impress them, can you imagine if I brought on Dow? 00:33:27.255 --> 00:33:29.799 None for me, thank you. 00:33:30.884 --> 00:33:31.927 You're not... 00:33:34.095 --> 00:33:35.096 I'm, uh... 00:33:36.348 --> 00:33:38.266 You're... She's... 00:33:38.350 --> 00:33:40.018 I'm... 00:33:40.101 --> 00:33:42.979 I'm gonna wait as long as I can to tell the firm. Obviously. 00:33:43.063 --> 00:33:44.648 Would you excuse us for a moment? 00:33:44.731 --> 00:33:46.816 These lady lawyers need a quick sidebar. 00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:48.276 - Of course. - No. No. 00:33:48.360 --> 00:33:50.445 - He signs your paycheck. Be nice to him. - Don't leave me. 00:33:52.989 --> 00:33:55.408 - Congratulations. - I know. I can't believe it. 00:34:01.331 --> 00:34:02.415 Excuse me. 00:34:12.133 --> 00:34:13.343 Rob, how are you? 00:34:13.426 --> 00:34:14.761 Phil, I've been trying to reach you. 00:34:14.844 --> 00:34:16.680 So sorry, all this traveling. How about I give you a shout tomorrow? 00:34:16.763 --> 00:34:18.557 We're gonna need to broaden discovery to everything 00:34:18.640 --> 00:34:20.392 in that landfill, hazardous or not. 00:34:24.563 --> 00:34:25.605 Excuse me. 00:34:26.690 --> 00:34:28.066 You kidding me? 00:34:28.149 --> 00:34:29.150 No. 00:34:31.653 --> 00:34:33.822 I think whatever's causing the problems in there 00:34:33.905 --> 00:34:36.992 isn't something the EPA regulates or knows to regulate. 00:34:37.617 --> 00:34:38.618 Sorry? 00:34:38.702 --> 00:34:42.038 I'm seeing things in your documents I don't understand. 00:34:42.122 --> 00:34:44.332 You're seeing ghosts, is what you're seeing, and frankly, 00:34:44.416 --> 00:34:45.750 you're making an ass of yourself. 00:34:45.834 --> 00:34:47.502 Okay, then, help me out. 00:34:47.586 --> 00:34:48.837 I mean, like this. 00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.173 I mean, what is this PFOA? 00:34:52.841 --> 00:34:54.509 What's that stand for? 00:34:56.344 --> 00:34:57.637 Jesus. 00:34:57.721 --> 00:35:00.015 You're on a goddamn fishing expedition. 00:35:00.640 --> 00:35:03.101 You wanna flush your career down the toilet 00:35:03.184 --> 00:35:04.227 for some cowhand? 00:35:04.311 --> 00:35:05.895 Be my guest. I'm done helping you. 00:35:05.979 --> 00:35:08.440 Phil, I need to insist on broadening discovery. 00:35:08.773 --> 00:35:09.816 - Sue me! - Uh... 00:35:10.900 --> 00:35:11.943 I'm already suing you. 00:35:12.027 --> 00:35:13.236 Welcome, everyone, 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.781 to the 14th Annual Ohio Chemical Alliance... 00:35:16.865 --> 00:35:18.491 - Fuck you! - ...awards dinner. 00:35:21.494 --> 00:35:22.537 Hick! 00:35:25.999 --> 00:35:29.002 So, let's get the fun started! 00:35:49.939 --> 00:35:51.524 I'm sorry. 00:35:51.608 --> 00:35:53.568 You're not the only one who's sacrificed. 00:35:59.949 --> 00:36:02.077 I just hope you know what you're doing. 00:36:08.750 --> 00:36:10.919 You know the difference between business and pleasure, right? 00:36:11.002 --> 00:36:14.631 So, why on earth would you engage in business conversations 00:36:14.714 --> 00:36:16.633 - at a public function? - Tom! 00:36:17.425 --> 00:36:19.969 He's hiding something. You saw his reaction. 00:36:20.053 --> 00:36:21.846 Yeah, me and everyone in that room. 00:36:21.930 --> 00:36:23.807 Taft in a pissing match with DuPont. 00:36:23.890 --> 00:36:25.809 I am gonna get a court order and force them 00:36:25.892 --> 00:36:27.185 to tell me everything that's in that landfill. 00:36:27.268 --> 00:36:29.604 Jesus Christ! Now you wanna actually take them to court. 00:36:29.688 --> 00:36:31.731 And I'm gonna need local counsel in West Virginia. 00:36:31.815 --> 00:36:33.400 What happened to routine stuff? 00:36:33.483 --> 00:36:35.360 - Ask Phil Donnelly. - God! 00:36:36.277 --> 00:36:37.529 Of course, I remember you. 00:36:38.822 --> 00:36:41.116 Yeah, last time I saw you, I think Phil Donnelly was 00:36:41.199 --> 00:36:43.493 trying to get you to go out on the links with us. 00:36:43.576 --> 00:36:44.619 Yeah. 00:36:47.497 --> 00:36:48.540 You what? 00:37:02.429 --> 00:37:03.722 - Sir. - Thank you. 00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:11.020 Good morning. 00:37:14.566 --> 00:37:15.942 - Good morning, Larry. - Morning. 00:37:22.782 --> 00:37:23.783 Morning, Miss Claire. 00:37:25.076 --> 00:37:26.745 Don't you look nice. 00:37:26.828 --> 00:37:28.246 Save it for the judge, Mr. Winter. 00:37:32.500 --> 00:37:35.003 You're suing DuPont. 00:37:37.046 --> 00:37:38.089 Yes, ma'am. 00:37:38.715 --> 00:37:40.467 You represent DuPont. 00:37:40.550 --> 00:37:41.551 My old firm did. 00:37:42.552 --> 00:37:43.887 I've been out on my own for a while. 00:37:45.680 --> 00:37:46.931 Good luck with that. 00:37:51.478 --> 00:37:53.855 Just wanted to let you know personally 00:37:53.938 --> 00:37:57.275 that your court-ordered discovery is on the way. 00:37:57.358 --> 00:37:58.943 Thanks, Phil. 00:37:59.027 --> 00:38:01.112 No, it's my pleasure. 00:38:03.448 --> 00:38:04.532 Discovery. 00:38:20.423 --> 00:38:22.008 Son of a bitch. 00:38:22.091 --> 00:38:24.427 No admission of liability. 00:38:25.303 --> 00:38:26.971 And non... 00:38:29.390 --> 00:38:31.851 Non-disclosure of any and all terms. 00:38:33.645 --> 00:38:34.771 Pardon me a moment. 00:38:50.036 --> 00:38:51.246 Thanks. 00:38:52.080 --> 00:38:53.957 Holy Jesus! 00:38:54.999 --> 00:38:56.334 - What in the... - Thanks. 00:38:58.169 --> 00:38:59.379 ...world? 00:38:59.462 --> 00:39:01.548 I guess the joke's on me. 00:39:01.631 --> 00:39:02.632 Yeah. 00:39:04.092 --> 00:39:05.885 No one can go through all this crap. Not in a million years. 00:39:05.969 --> 00:39:07.971 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what they're banking on. 00:39:10.640 --> 00:39:12.767 - Oh, God! Damn it! - Oh, God, Rob! 00:39:18.147 --> 00:39:21.234 - Here, let me... - No, no, no, you shouldn't be around this stuff. 00:39:22.569 --> 00:39:25.488 - You sure? - I'm positive. Thank you, though. 00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:27.282 Yeah. 00:39:28.783 --> 00:39:29.826 Good luck. 00:39:51.347 --> 00:39:52.807 1957. 00:40:57.372 --> 00:40:59.374 Hey, Sally, what is the hold up back here? 00:41:02.168 --> 00:41:03.586 - Hey, Bobby. How you... - What're you having? 00:41:06.047 --> 00:41:07.048 Usual. 00:41:08.841 --> 00:41:10.551 Eggs over bacon and grits. 00:41:12.178 --> 00:41:13.221 Same. 00:41:18.184 --> 00:41:20.144 I need two over, grits, fried. 00:41:29.821 --> 00:41:30.947 Wilbur Tennant. 00:41:31.364 --> 00:41:33.449 He's not in his office. Can I take a message? 00:41:33.533 --> 00:41:36.035 - I been leaving messages. - I know, Mr. Tennant, 00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:38.204 but he really can't get to the phone right now. 00:41:38.287 --> 00:41:39.580 I want service! 00:41:40.081 --> 00:41:41.457 I'll let him know that you called again. For Christ's sakes. 00:41:44.877 --> 00:41:47.338 Is she getting accustomed to being at Mom and Dad's? 00:41:47.422 --> 00:41:49.173 You know Grammer. She misses her own house. 00:41:49.257 --> 00:41:51.676 - What? - She misses her own house. 00:41:52.510 --> 00:41:54.053 I have a bad cell. 00:41:54.137 --> 00:41:56.389 I said Grammer misses her own house. 00:41:56.472 --> 00:41:57.932 Okay, can you... 00:41:58.349 --> 00:41:59.642 Can I talk to her? 00:41:59.726 --> 00:42:00.977 She and Mom are at the doctor's. 00:42:01.686 --> 00:42:04.355 - Will you tell Grammers I called? - Rob, you're breaking up. 00:42:04.439 --> 00:42:05.523 And Mom too? 00:42:05.606 --> 00:42:07.150 - Let's try again on Sunday. - All right. 00:42:15.950 --> 00:42:17.201 "C-8." 00:42:23.458 --> 00:42:25.793 You know you look like a crazy person, right? 00:42:25.877 --> 00:42:28.254 What was the name of that guy that you brought by the... 00:42:28.671 --> 00:42:32.008 - What guy? - The chemistry expert. 00:42:32.091 --> 00:42:33.885 - The guy who does the models. - Gillespie. 00:42:37.055 --> 00:42:38.056 Here you go. 00:42:39.057 --> 00:42:40.058 Thank you. 00:42:40.475 --> 00:42:42.226 Kim Burke had an expense account. 00:42:42.852 --> 00:42:45.146 Oh, sorry. It's not that kind of case. 00:42:45.897 --> 00:42:50.026 Are you familiar with something called PFOA? 00:42:51.736 --> 00:42:52.779 No. 00:42:55.448 --> 00:42:56.783 - No. - No. 00:42:57.450 --> 00:43:01.996 I did read something recently about a PFOS, I think it was. 00:43:02.121 --> 00:43:05.083 - That sounds related. - And what was that? 00:43:05.708 --> 00:43:08.669 Long-chain fluorocarbon, synthetic. 00:43:09.796 --> 00:43:13.091 I'm sorry. Chemistry was my worst class in high school. 00:43:14.008 --> 00:43:15.510 Boy, you in the wrong line of work. 00:43:15.593 --> 00:43:17.970 Tell me about it. So? 00:43:18.387 --> 00:43:20.848 So, synthetic. All right? Man-made. 00:43:21.933 --> 00:43:23.059 Frankenstein. 00:43:23.851 --> 00:43:24.936 And? 00:43:25.645 --> 00:43:29.732 Long-chain fluorocarbon is a sequence of carbon atoms, add a fluoride. 00:43:30.983 --> 00:43:34.779 - All right. In the lab you take a carbon atom... - Mmm-hmm. 00:43:34.862 --> 00:43:38.032 ...and then you add another carbon atom. 00:43:38.574 --> 00:43:39.575 And then another 00:43:40.409 --> 00:43:42.036 and another... Look. 00:43:43.621 --> 00:43:46.374 You're making a chain. Right? 00:43:49.252 --> 00:43:51.254 - Right? - Could it be... 00:43:52.171 --> 00:43:54.132 Eight? Eight carbons? 00:43:54.215 --> 00:43:56.759 Well, sure. Yeah, In the lab you can do almost anything. 00:43:57.468 --> 00:44:00.680 And why would you want to? Make this, I mean. 00:44:02.723 --> 00:44:06.394 Well, a chain like that's pretty much unbreakable, biochemically speaking. 00:44:06.477 --> 00:44:09.397 So, uh, industrial uses, I imagine. 00:44:10.231 --> 00:44:11.649 3M made it. 00:44:12.150 --> 00:44:14.235 They don't anymore. That's what I read. 00:44:14.777 --> 00:44:17.321 - Why did they stop? - Didn't say. 00:44:19.782 --> 00:44:20.783 What if... 00:44:22.451 --> 00:44:23.953 What if you drank it? 00:44:26.581 --> 00:44:27.582 Drank it? 00:44:28.583 --> 00:44:30.251 - You don't. - Well, what if you did? 00:44:30.793 --> 00:44:32.920 - Ready to order? - Yeah, I think I'd like a... 00:44:34.046 --> 00:44:35.214 But what if you did? 00:44:36.549 --> 00:44:39.093 That's like saying, "What if I swallowed a tire?" 00:44:40.720 --> 00:44:43.139 I don't know. You wanna be the guy that finds out? 00:44:44.807 --> 00:44:45.808 Tuna melt. 00:45:05.161 --> 00:45:10.208 Let us all begin with hymn number 452 in our hymnal books. 00:45:10.291 --> 00:45:13.252 "Here I Am, Lord." Please rise. 00:45:16.505 --> 00:45:21.052 I, the Lord of sea and sky 00:45:21.135 --> 00:45:25.556 I have heard my people cry 00:45:26.057 --> 00:45:30.269 All who dwell in deepest sin 00:45:30.895 --> 00:45:34.232 My hand will save 00:45:36.484 --> 00:45:37.777 Does it makes sounds? 00:45:38.778 --> 00:45:40.196 Asteroid ahead. 00:45:40.571 --> 00:45:43.324 You hold like that. 00:45:43.407 --> 00:45:45.576 Are you ready to blast off? 00:45:58.881 --> 00:46:00.758 I'm taking off that. 00:46:31.622 --> 00:46:32.999 You said it had fluoride? 00:46:33.791 --> 00:46:35.418 What? Mr. Bilott, it's Sunday. 00:46:35.501 --> 00:46:38.212 That chemical, you said it had a fluoride atom. 00:46:39.755 --> 00:46:42.758 It's a fluorocarbon, so, yes. Somewhere along the chain... 00:46:42.842 --> 00:46:45.219 What would it do to your teeth if you drank it? 00:46:45.303 --> 00:46:47.388 Don't tell me if you shouldn't, if you did. 00:46:47.471 --> 00:46:49.640 If you drank a lot of it, what would it do to your teeth? 00:46:50.224 --> 00:46:52.518 Well, in trace amounts fluoride hardens teeth. 00:46:52.601 --> 00:46:57.315 But too much, it's gonna stain 'em. I mean, even turn 'em black. 00:46:58.816 --> 00:47:00.693 So, can I get back to my family now? 00:47:05.323 --> 00:47:06.574 What? Where are you going? 00:47:06.991 --> 00:47:09.535 - It's in their water. - What? What is? 00:47:47.198 --> 00:47:48.491 How long's the coughing been? 00:47:50.117 --> 00:47:52.703 Couple... Couple of months. 00:47:53.245 --> 00:47:54.246 A year. 00:47:54.705 --> 00:47:58.334 - You a smoker? - No. 00:47:59.085 --> 00:48:00.586 Roll up your sleeve. We're gonna take some blood. 00:48:15.601 --> 00:48:18.479 - Thought you left him inside. - I did. 00:48:23.150 --> 00:48:24.402 Oh, baby. 00:48:34.203 --> 00:48:35.204 You move this? 00:48:36.163 --> 00:48:37.164 What? 00:48:37.248 --> 00:48:39.583 - Did you go through this? - No! 00:48:44.713 --> 00:48:45.714 They been here. 00:48:47.550 --> 00:48:48.592 They been here! 00:49:17.455 --> 00:49:18.581 What happened? 00:49:20.416 --> 00:49:21.417 Wash up. 00:49:30.718 --> 00:49:31.760 Dad? 00:49:34.513 --> 00:49:35.556 - What is it? - Quiet. 00:49:45.858 --> 00:49:49.153 This is my land, damn you! You get out of here! 00:49:49.904 --> 00:49:50.946 Go on! 00:49:52.406 --> 00:49:53.532 Go on! 00:49:55.242 --> 00:49:59.079 Sandra, girls, get on! Go on, get in! Get in! 00:50:01.165 --> 00:50:02.500 I know youl! 00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:15.883 Rob? 00:52:41.659 --> 00:52:45.079 - Holy crap, Rob! - What? 00:52:45.162 --> 00:52:47.956 I thought someone was breaking in, for God's sakes! 00:52:48.040 --> 00:52:49.500 No, it's just me. 00:52:49.583 --> 00:52:51.418 Rob, you need to tell me what in the hell's going on. 00:52:54.797 --> 00:52:56.131 We're being poisoned. 00:52:59.009 --> 00:53:00.427 - Rob. - What? 00:53:00.511 --> 00:53:04.181 I mean it. DuPont is knowingly poisoning us. 00:53:04.264 --> 00:53:06.558 You mean the farmer. His land. 00:53:07.393 --> 00:53:08.477 All of us. 00:53:10.729 --> 00:53:12.147 Please don't look at me like that. 00:53:13.691 --> 00:53:15.442 They're already poisoning the baby. 00:53:17.277 --> 00:53:19.780 - No. I'm not listening to this. - Sarah. 00:53:20.155 --> 00:53:21.782 Stop it! Just stop it, okay? 00:53:22.700 --> 00:53:25.452 Do you hear yourself? You are acting like a crazy person. 00:53:25.536 --> 00:53:28.539 Tearing up our floor. Scaring me half to death. 00:53:28.622 --> 00:53:31.250 I know it's my job to support you, but that does not mean 00:53:31.333 --> 00:53:33.752 you get to come into our home, to our family 00:53:33.836 --> 00:53:36.755 and tell me that our unborn child is being poisoned. No! 00:53:36.839 --> 00:53:39.299 I'm sorry. Can I please explain? 00:53:39.383 --> 00:53:41.135 - Explain what? - All of it. 00:53:41.927 --> 00:53:46.014 And if you still think I'm crazy, I'll drop it. I swear to God. 00:53:48.684 --> 00:53:49.893 I swear to you. 00:54:06.410 --> 00:54:08.370 There is a man-made chemical 00:54:10.205 --> 00:54:12.624 that was invented during the Manhattan project. 00:54:13.667 --> 00:54:16.170 It repelled the elements, especially water. 00:54:16.795 --> 00:54:21.133 So they used it to make the first ever waterproof coating for tanks. 00:54:21.216 --> 00:54:22.593 It was indestructible. 00:54:22.676 --> 00:54:26.764 Then some companies thought, "Hey, why just the battlefield? 00:54:26.847 --> 00:54:30.726 "Why not bring this chemical into American homes?" 00:54:30.934 --> 00:54:32.394 - Rob's here. - All right. Good. 00:54:33.312 --> 00:54:34.313 He'll see you now. 00:54:38.317 --> 00:54:40.110 DuPont was one of those companies. 00:54:41.862 --> 00:54:44.406 So they took this chemical, PFOA. 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:46.867 They renamed it C-8. 00:54:47.868 --> 00:54:50.537 And they made their own impenetrable coating, 00:54:50.621 --> 00:54:53.248 but not for tanks. For pans. 00:54:54.875 --> 00:54:56.627 They called it Teflon. 00:54:57.211 --> 00:55:00.631 A shining symbol of American ingenuity, 00:55:00.714 --> 00:55:02.925 made right here in the USA, 00:55:03.008 --> 00:55:05.093 in Parkersburg, West Virginia. 00:55:07.012 --> 00:55:09.223 But right from the start, something wasn't right. 00:55:09.932 --> 00:55:13.101 The men, and workers who made Teflon 00:55:13.185 --> 00:55:15.687 were coming down with nausea, fevers. 00:55:15.771 --> 00:55:17.189 DuPont wanted to know why. 00:55:17.856 --> 00:55:20.526 So they laced cigarettes with Teflon. 00:55:20.609 --> 00:55:23.111 They told a group of their workers, "Hey, smoke these." 00:55:23.904 --> 00:55:25.739 DuPonters did as they were told. 00:55:27.282 --> 00:55:29.326 Almost all of those men were hospitalized. 00:55:33.914 --> 00:55:35.457 That's 1962. 00:55:35.999 --> 00:55:39.962 One year after Teflon launched and already DuPont knew. 00:55:40.587 --> 00:55:44.258 The dust, they just sent right up the smoke stacks, released into the air. 00:55:45.050 --> 00:55:47.636 The sludge, tossed it into the Ohio. 00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:51.932 Or, uh, packed into drums and chucked it into the Chesapeake. 00:55:52.724 --> 00:55:54.893 But then their drums started washing up. 00:55:55.394 --> 00:55:57.813 So, DuPont starts digging ditches 00:55:57.896 --> 00:55:59.857 on the grounds of the Washington Works plant. 00:55:59.940 --> 00:56:02.192 And in those pits, they dumped 00:56:02.276 --> 00:56:05.863 thousands of tons of toxic C-8 sludge and dust. 00:56:06.321 --> 00:56:09.074 One of the men that they hired to dig those ditches 00:56:09.157 --> 00:56:11.827 was Wilbur Tennant's brother Jim. 00:56:12.703 --> 00:56:15.038 But they weren't the only ones covering their tracks. 00:56:15.581 --> 00:56:19.334 3M who pioneered these chemicals for Scotchgard, 00:56:19.418 --> 00:56:20.794 they were testing them on monkeys. 00:56:21.336 --> 00:56:22.754 Most of the monkeys died. 00:56:23.380 --> 00:56:25.757 It wasn't like DuPont didn't know that because 00:56:25.841 --> 00:56:28.176 they were doing their own tests on rats. 00:56:29.052 --> 00:56:30.679 Watched their organs balloon. 00:56:31.930 --> 00:56:33.765 Now the rats are getting cancers. 00:56:34.391 --> 00:56:37.978 Tested them on pregnant rats and watched them give birth 00:56:38.061 --> 00:56:40.355 to pups with deformed eyes. 00:56:41.064 --> 00:56:44.276 So, they yanked all the young women off the Teflon line 00:56:44.776 --> 00:56:46.028 and never told them why. 00:56:50.365 --> 00:56:55.037 Sue Bailey's job was scrubbing these huge steel vats 00:56:55.120 --> 00:56:58.165 where they held the liquid C-8. She was pregnant. 00:56:58.624 --> 00:57:00.709 - I love you! - Would you stop? 00:57:02.836 --> 00:57:07.215 She gave birth to a baby with one nostril and a deformed eye. 00:57:07.299 --> 00:57:10.844 Remember how DuPont had seen those deformities in the rats? 00:57:14.056 --> 00:57:15.599 Oh, God. What about his eyes? 00:57:16.141 --> 00:57:18.226 Blue. Just like all newborns. 00:57:18.310 --> 00:57:20.687 But they're normal, the lids, the pupils? 00:57:20.771 --> 00:57:24.232 Mr. Bilott, relax. He's perfect. 00:57:25.025 --> 00:57:27.194 Hey. Hi, Charlie. 00:57:27.277 --> 00:57:29.863 So Sue goes to DuPont. 00:57:29.947 --> 00:57:32.699 She says, "Why did you pull me off the Teflon line? 00:57:33.492 --> 00:57:38.121 "Did C-8 make my baby this way?" "No," they tell her. 00:57:38.205 --> 00:57:42.542 Then all of her records from her time at Teflon disappear. 00:57:42.626 --> 00:57:47.339 One year later, they put all of the women back on Teflon 00:57:47.422 --> 00:57:50.175 and never say a thing. 00:57:56.807 --> 00:57:57.808 He's here. 00:58:02.062 --> 00:58:03.772 DuPont knew everything. 00:58:04.773 --> 00:58:08.235 They knew that the C-8 they put into the air 00:58:08.318 --> 00:58:10.320 and buried into the ground for decades 00:58:10.404 --> 00:58:12.072 was causing cancers. 00:58:12.155 --> 00:58:15.909 They knew that their own workers were getting these cancers. 00:58:15.993 --> 00:58:19.037 They knew that the consumers too were being exposed 00:58:19.121 --> 00:58:22.457 and not just in Teflon. In paints, 00:58:22.916 --> 00:58:27.212 in fabrics, in, uh, raincoats, boots. 00:58:28.839 --> 00:58:30.298 To this day... 00:58:32.342 --> 00:58:36.471 For 40 years you knew C-8 was poison. 00:58:36.555 --> 00:58:39.975 You knew the "Happy Pan" was a ticking time bomb. 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:43.103 And you knew exactly why. 00:58:43.270 --> 00:58:45.522 Because C-8, it stays in us forever. 00:58:45.689 --> 00:58:48.316 Our bodies are incapable of breaking it down. 00:58:48.942 --> 00:58:53.196 And knowing all of this, still you did nothing because 00:58:53.780 --> 00:58:56.033 doing something, 00:58:56.908 --> 00:58:59.870 "would essentially put the long-term viability 00:58:59.953 --> 00:59:03.957 "of this product's segment on the line." 00:59:06.710 --> 00:59:09.004 You were making too much money. 00:59:09.921 --> 00:59:13.133 One billion dollars a year just in profits, just in Teflon. 00:59:14.426 --> 00:59:17.971 And so you pumped millions more pounds 00:59:18.055 --> 00:59:21.224 of toxic C-8 into the air, into the water 00:59:21.475 --> 00:59:24.478 so much so you could actually see it foam. 00:59:25.312 --> 00:59:30.776 C-8 was everywhere. There was nowhere left for you to contaminate. 00:59:34.905 --> 00:59:37.074 And that's when they came to Jim. 00:59:37.741 --> 00:59:41.369 They knew he was sick and needed the money and they needed his land. 00:59:42.079 --> 00:59:45.207 And when they got it, they dug up all the C-8 00:59:45.373 --> 00:59:48.168 from every single pit at Washington Works. 00:59:48.251 --> 00:59:51.588 Fourteen million pounds of toxic C-8 sludge 00:59:51.797 --> 00:59:55.008 and they dumped it, again. This time right up there. 00:59:55.175 --> 00:59:58.178 Steps from your creek, from your house. 00:59:59.012 --> 01:00:02.140 That's what your cows have been drinking, Earl. 01:00:06.520 --> 01:00:08.730 Put 'em behind bars. 01:00:08.814 --> 01:00:10.524 Whole damn lot of 'em, right in jail. 01:00:10.690 --> 01:00:12.025 I understand, believe me. 01:00:12.109 --> 01:00:15.112 But this is a civil case. The most we can hope for is damages. 01:00:15.237 --> 01:00:19.241 Don't want no money! Whole damn world need... 01:00:25.580 --> 01:00:28.583 - Needs to see what they done. - You're right. They should. 01:00:30.168 --> 01:00:32.754 And it kills me that they won't. 01:00:33.797 --> 01:00:36.383 But that would mean going to trial 01:00:36.550 --> 01:00:38.969 and proving that C-8 killed your cows. 01:00:39.136 --> 01:00:41.680 And every scientist who knows anything about any of this 01:00:41.847 --> 01:00:43.849 already works for these chemical companies. 01:00:43.974 --> 01:00:46.393 That's not an accident, Earl. 01:00:46.977 --> 01:00:52.149 Earl, these companies, they have all the money all the time, 01:00:52.232 --> 01:00:53.692 and they'll use it. Trust me. 01:00:53.817 --> 01:00:55.569 I know. I was one of them. 01:00:57.028 --> 01:00:59.447 You're still one of 'em. 01:01:02.576 --> 01:01:06.830 You can't be serious. You know what I put on the line here? 01:01:06.997 --> 01:01:10.167 You want a prize? Some medal 'cause for once in your life 01:01:10.250 --> 01:01:12.669 you took the side of the little guy? 01:01:13.086 --> 01:01:16.339 Sorry, no prize. All you get is your share of this blood money. 01:01:16.631 --> 01:01:19.467 - And you sleep real good tonight. - Talk to your family. 01:01:19.926 --> 01:01:22.179 It ain't just my cows was poisoned. 01:01:22.262 --> 01:01:24.431 What do you think I fed my family on? 01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:27.767 Wilbur, please. 01:01:29.352 --> 01:01:31.521 Leave this place! 01:01:32.856 --> 01:01:36.610 Start over. Give your family a fighting chance! 01:01:36.776 --> 01:01:38.778 Too late for that. 01:01:41.698 --> 01:01:44.034 We got it, Sandra and me. The cancer. 01:01:45.744 --> 01:01:47.746 Surprise, surprise. 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:45.512 In here. 01:02:51.559 --> 01:02:53.353 How'd it go? 01:02:55.522 --> 01:02:56.773 What's wrong? 01:02:57.607 --> 01:02:59.067 Rob? 01:02:59.901 --> 01:03:00.902 Rob, what is it? 01:03:06.866 --> 01:03:08.576 What happened? What happened? 01:03:09.202 --> 01:03:11.204 Oh, honey, honey, honey. 01:03:12.956 --> 01:03:15.375 You saw a man hurting and 01:03:17.043 --> 01:03:19.462 you did the Christian thing. You helped him. 01:03:19.963 --> 01:03:24.384 How? How? Either he dies penniless 01:03:24.551 --> 01:03:27.512 or he lets DuPont just keep pillaging his community. 01:03:27.595 --> 01:03:29.014 How is that helping? 01:03:33.351 --> 01:03:35.353 Gotta get some sleep. 01:03:47.073 --> 01:03:50.035 I can't believe a freaking case settlement could shut this up. 01:03:52.620 --> 01:03:55.373 Have you read their confidentiality agreements? 01:03:56.249 --> 01:03:58.877 You've uncovered a threat to the public. 01:03:59.461 --> 01:04:01.713 This goes beyond lawyering. 01:04:01.796 --> 01:04:04.090 That's... That's all I know is lawyering. 01:04:04.174 --> 01:04:06.426 Fine. Then be the lawyer. 01:04:06.968 --> 01:04:08.470 You know DuPont better than anyone. 01:04:08.636 --> 01:04:09.888 What haven't they thought of? 01:05:09.823 --> 01:05:11.783 God. Jesus, Mary and Joseph. 01:05:12.283 --> 01:05:13.284 What is that? 01:05:13.368 --> 01:05:16.204 Uh, a memo and 136 exhibits. 01:05:49.112 --> 01:05:51.030 Wil, Sandra, this is your copy. 01:06:11.676 --> 01:06:15.346 The EPA announced a public hearing into this family of chemicals 01:06:15.430 --> 01:06:17.932 - I've been looking into. - I heard about it from Tucker. 01:06:18.183 --> 01:06:20.393 - Monsanto Tucker? - Union Carbide now. 01:06:20.518 --> 01:06:21.519 He says to me, "Is it true 01:06:21.603 --> 01:06:23.146 "that a Taft lawyer sent a phone book's 01:06:23.229 --> 01:06:24.606 "worth of confidential DuPont documents 01:06:24.689 --> 01:06:26.274 "to the entire Federal government?" 01:06:26.357 --> 01:06:28.943 Internal documents, not confidential. Very different. 01:06:29.027 --> 01:06:31.112 - So you're testifying. - I signed up to testify. 01:06:31.196 --> 01:06:32.197 And the next thing I hear 01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:34.282 is DuPont has petitioned a judge 01:06:34.365 --> 01:06:37.035 to stop me from testifying, from flying to D.C, 01:06:37.118 --> 01:06:38.119 from even picking up the phone 01:06:38.203 --> 01:06:39.287 They filed for a gag order. 01:06:39.370 --> 01:06:41.122 Yes! This is what we're up against. 01:06:41.206 --> 01:06:42.457 - Jesus. - David. 01:06:42.540 --> 01:06:43.541 Come on, Tom. What do you expect? 01:06:43.625 --> 01:06:44.709 Where do we stand? 01:06:44.792 --> 01:06:46.628 Well, the judge rejected the gag order, 01:06:46.711 --> 01:06:48.213 so I fly out Monday. 01:06:48.671 --> 01:06:52.175 Nice. I guess we'll just watch on C-SPAN. 01:06:54.469 --> 01:06:55.970 You ever do anything like this again, 01:06:56.054 --> 01:06:59.724 I will cut your balls off and serve them to DuPont myself. 01:07:00.099 --> 01:07:01.518 Get out of here. 01:07:04.521 --> 01:07:05.897 Good luck in Washington. 01:07:07.148 --> 01:07:08.441 Thanks, Tom. 01:07:08.942 --> 01:07:12.737 This material is a perfluoro... 01:07:12.904 --> 01:07:14.739 or a PFOA. 01:07:14.906 --> 01:07:18.368 It's also known as FC 143, 01:07:19.327 --> 01:07:22.580 ammonium perfluorooctanoates. 01:07:22.664 --> 01:07:27.418 It has been shown by DuPont's own science 01:07:28.461 --> 01:07:30.588 that PFOA C-8 01:07:31.589 --> 01:07:35.677 is possibly life threatening to human health. 01:07:36.094 --> 01:07:41.641 We are asking this agency to do something. 01:08:02.370 --> 01:08:04.622 ...the Presidential election in four decades. 01:08:04.789 --> 01:08:06.541 Just look at these latest polls. 01:08:07.041 --> 01:08:08.543 Did you forget to pay the water bill? 01:08:09.586 --> 01:08:10.753 What? 01:08:10.837 --> 01:08:12.922 You forget to pay the water bill? 01:08:14.549 --> 01:08:15.883 No. 01:08:16.718 --> 01:08:18.094 We got a notice. 01:08:18.636 --> 01:08:19.846 What's it say? 01:08:21.931 --> 01:08:24.851 "PFOA is a persistent chemical 01:08:24.934 --> 01:08:26.477 "that is slow to be eliminated 01:08:26.561 --> 01:08:29.939 "from the blood stream of people who have been exposed to it. 01:08:30.440 --> 01:08:32.191 "The DuPont company has advised 01:08:32.275 --> 01:08:35.528 "the Lubeck Water District that low concentrations 01:08:35.612 --> 01:08:38.573 "have been found in the district's wells. 01:08:38.656 --> 01:08:39.907 "DuPont has advised the district 01:08:39.991 --> 01:08:43.036 "that it is confident these levels are safe." 01:08:44.203 --> 01:08:46.039 What the hell does that mean? 01:08:47.874 --> 01:08:49.792 A letter came last fall. 01:08:50.376 --> 01:08:52.670 Made no sense to me, so I started making calls. 01:08:52.754 --> 01:08:55.048 I told Joe don't kick that hornet's nest. 01:08:55.673 --> 01:08:58.301 It's not like we didn't know what we'd signed up for. 01:08:59.594 --> 01:09:00.720 What do you mean? 01:09:01.471 --> 01:09:03.473 Oh, I was married before Joe 01:09:04.182 --> 01:09:06.100 to a chemist at DuPont. 01:09:06.643 --> 01:09:08.436 Dream job. Paid real well. 01:09:08.519 --> 01:09:11.522 And the perks! Presents for no reason. 01:09:11.606 --> 01:09:15.068 We'd get this catalogue. Just pick whatever you want. 01:09:16.027 --> 01:09:17.320 And little stuff. 01:09:17.403 --> 01:09:18.821 Like he'd bring home this soap, 01:09:18.905 --> 01:09:20.490 this miracle powder. 01:09:20.573 --> 01:09:22.617 You puttin the washing machine or the dishwasher, 01:09:22.700 --> 01:09:24.619 just wipes stuff clean like you would not believe. 01:09:25.662 --> 01:09:28.122 One day he comes home and says, 01:09:28.206 --> 01:09:29.957 "Can't bring that stuff home no more." 01:09:30.041 --> 01:09:31.793 "Why?" Won't tell me. 01:09:32.126 --> 01:09:34.337 Then he'd get sick for weeks. 01:09:35.129 --> 01:09:37.215 The Teflon flu, the guys would call it. 01:09:37.965 --> 01:09:40.093 We knew something wasn't right. 01:09:40.593 --> 01:09:43.429 But this house, we bought it just by 01:09:43.513 --> 01:09:46.599 showing the bank my husband's DuPont ID. 01:09:46.683 --> 01:09:49.977 Put both our kids through college. Engineers. 01:09:51.604 --> 01:09:54.315 In this town, that doesn't come without a price. 01:09:54.649 --> 01:09:57.360 My brother Kenny didn't know that price. 01:09:57.527 --> 01:09:59.570 He joined DuPont at 19. 01:09:59.654 --> 01:10:01.989 Died on the operating table two years later. 01:10:02.448 --> 01:10:05.535 - Ulcerative colitis. - Just like Dan Schiller had. 01:10:05.618 --> 01:10:06.911 Who's Dan? 01:10:07.078 --> 01:10:09.706 A chemist at DuPont. Worked with my ex-husband. 01:10:10.164 --> 01:10:12.917 And Roger, what's his name? 01:10:13.000 --> 01:10:14.502 Wilkins, the foreman. 01:10:14.627 --> 01:10:16.879 Steven Gellar. Randy Field. 01:10:16.963 --> 01:10:19.590 Randy's was kidney cancer. He survived. 01:10:19.674 --> 01:10:22.218 - His wife didn't. - No, June's was thyroid. 01:10:22.301 --> 01:10:23.886 It was supposed to be treatable. 01:10:24.262 --> 01:10:25.596 They didn't catch it in time. 01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:27.932 But they caught it in their son. 01:10:29.976 --> 01:10:32.061 Were your children born healthy? 01:10:32.145 --> 01:10:34.188 - Yes. Yes, they were. - Good. 01:10:34.355 --> 01:10:38.276 But we wanted a third and couldn't. 01:10:38.359 --> 01:10:39.569 I went to my doctor. 01:10:39.652 --> 01:10:42.363 He says, "You need a hysterectomy. You need it right away." 01:10:44.240 --> 01:10:45.408 I'm so sorry. 01:10:45.491 --> 01:10:47.076 Bad luck, I guess. 01:10:48.786 --> 01:10:50.163 I was 36. 01:10:51.581 --> 01:10:52.790 Mr. Kiger, 01:10:52.874 --> 01:10:55.084 you think I could get a copy of that letter? 01:11:07.597 --> 01:11:09.557 What's wrong with your hand? 01:11:09.932 --> 01:11:12.101 Nothing. It's fine. 01:11:17.106 --> 01:11:18.983 Whoa, Rob? 01:11:21.110 --> 01:11:22.820 Rob, what are you doing? 01:11:24.781 --> 01:11:27.033 I mean, it's not enough to poison these people? 01:11:27.116 --> 01:11:28.534 They gotta swindle them too? 01:11:28.618 --> 01:11:30.161 Okay, calm down. All right? 01:11:30.244 --> 01:11:31.954 DuPont wrote that letter! 01:11:32.038 --> 01:11:33.998 - Not the water authority. - How do you know that? 01:11:34.081 --> 01:11:36.709 You think I don't know what a DuPont letter looks like by now? 01:11:36.793 --> 01:11:38.127 Okay. Okay. 01:11:38.586 --> 01:11:39.754 I mean, Jesus! 01:11:39.837 --> 01:11:41.547 It's evil, Sarah. 01:11:41.631 --> 01:11:43.591 It's fucking evil! 01:11:43.674 --> 01:11:45.843 What's fack? 01:11:46.761 --> 01:11:47.887 Perfect. 01:11:47.970 --> 01:11:49.722 It's nothing, sweetie. It's nothing. Oh, boy. 01:11:49.806 --> 01:11:51.474 I'm sorry. I'm sorry, honey. 01:11:51.557 --> 01:11:52.934 Can you give Charlie the bottle, please? 01:11:53.017 --> 01:11:55.561 - Where's his bottle? - It's in the bag. 01:11:55.645 --> 01:11:57.897 - What is all this? - It's from Grammer's. 01:11:58.272 --> 01:12:00.358 It was left in her mailbox. 01:12:00.858 --> 01:12:02.902 - "Medical claims, now and forever"? - Here, bud. 01:12:02.985 --> 01:12:04.445 - "Now and forever." - Is that that... 01:12:04.570 --> 01:12:05.613 That... 01:12:06.364 --> 01:12:08.366 Medical monitoring. Is that... 01:12:10.034 --> 01:12:12.453 I thought you said that wasn't gonna pass? 01:12:14.705 --> 01:12:17.583 - Morning. - Guys. 01:12:24.006 --> 01:12:26.926 Our lead plaintiff is Mr. Joe Kiger. 01:12:27.009 --> 01:12:30.596 Potential plaintiff, if the partnership approves. 01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:33.015 Mr. Joe Kiger, a Phys Ed teacher 01:12:33.099 --> 01:12:35.226 from Parkersburg, West Virginia. 01:12:35.309 --> 01:12:39.814 On behalf of the 70,000 local residents, 01:12:39.897 --> 01:12:42.775 whose water DuPont knowingly poisoned 01:12:42.859 --> 01:12:44.193 for the last 40 years. 01:12:44.277 --> 01:12:45.278 A class action? 01:12:45.361 --> 01:12:46.529 Let him finish. 01:12:46.612 --> 01:12:48.364 The Kigers were notified 01:12:48.447 --> 01:12:51.784 by their local water company that DuPont had found 01:12:51.868 --> 01:12:55.663 small concentrations of C-8 in their water supply, 01:12:55.746 --> 01:12:57.206 but not to worry 01:12:57.290 --> 01:13:00.668 because those concentrations were safe. 01:13:00.751 --> 01:13:03.671 Why? Because DuPont said so. 01:13:08.009 --> 01:13:10.303 This is what DuPont considers safe. 01:13:10.678 --> 01:13:13.180 That's something like one drop of water 01:13:13.264 --> 01:13:15.349 in an Olympic size swimming pool. 01:13:15.433 --> 01:13:17.935 In other words, even a trace of C-8 01:13:18.019 --> 01:13:19.937 renders water unsafe. 01:13:20.021 --> 01:13:22.356 But DuPont told the local water authority, 01:13:22.440 --> 01:13:23.482 "Don't worry. 01:13:23.566 --> 01:13:25.568 "Your wells have got even less than that." 01:13:25.651 --> 01:13:27.737 - Except that was a lie. - A lie? 01:13:27.820 --> 01:13:30.448 Yes. DuPont has been secretly testing 01:13:30.531 --> 01:13:31.866 these wells for decades. 01:13:31.949 --> 01:13:34.911 They knew they had contaminated those wells 01:13:34.994 --> 01:13:37.914 up to six times that level. 01:13:37.997 --> 01:13:40.666 And thanks to the Tennant case, now we know too. 01:13:40.750 --> 01:13:43.377 Hold on. This stuff is unregulated, right? 01:13:43.461 --> 01:13:45.004 I mean, as far as EPA's concerned, 01:13:45.087 --> 01:13:47.131 it might as well be rose petals. 01:13:47.214 --> 01:13:49.467 The EPA hasn't set a standard, that's true, 01:13:49.550 --> 01:13:51.218 but DuPont did. 01:13:51.427 --> 01:13:54.263 And all the law requires to win a case like this, 01:13:54.347 --> 01:13:56.599 is to show that DuPont exceeded 01:13:56.682 --> 01:13:59.226 what DuPont itself considers safe. 01:13:59.435 --> 01:14:00.603 Self-regulation. 01:14:00.728 --> 01:14:02.605 - If what you're saying is right... - It is right. 01:14:02.688 --> 01:14:06.067 ...then why would DuPont tell this water district anything at all? 01:14:06.150 --> 01:14:07.610 Seems to me that they're being 01:14:07.693 --> 01:14:09.445 a good corporate citizen here. 01:14:09.862 --> 01:14:12.865 That's how long you have to file suit. 01:14:13.282 --> 01:14:14.575 One year from the moment 01:14:14.659 --> 01:14:17.203 you realize your water's been contaminated. 01:14:17.662 --> 01:14:21.749 This letter looks like it's telling people their water is safe. 01:14:21.832 --> 01:14:25.002 In fact, it's notifying them that it isn't. 01:14:25.086 --> 01:14:26.754 DuPont has started the clock. 01:14:27.129 --> 01:14:28.255 Smart. 01:14:28.839 --> 01:14:29.966 We would've counseled that. 01:14:30.049 --> 01:14:32.093 It was sent 11 months ago. 01:14:32.176 --> 01:14:34.637 The moment they realized we knew. 01:14:35.304 --> 01:14:37.515 In 30 days, they're home free. 01:14:37.598 --> 01:14:40.184 So that's the proposed case in brief. 01:14:40.267 --> 01:14:42.019 But there's something else to consider. 01:14:42.103 --> 01:14:43.354 You think? 01:14:43.646 --> 01:14:44.730 Rob. 01:14:44.814 --> 01:14:47.733 C-8 bio-accumulates. It builds up inside of us. 01:14:48.109 --> 01:14:50.403 Some class members who aren't sick today 01:14:51.654 --> 01:14:53.114 will get sick tomorrow. 01:14:53.197 --> 01:14:55.950 We need a way to protect them into the future. 01:14:56.033 --> 01:14:58.077 Jesus, Tom! If you're even thinking about using medical monitoring... 01:14:58.160 --> 01:15:00.496 Hold on. Hold on. 01:15:00.579 --> 01:15:04.208 Medical monitoring is a claim now permitted 01:15:04.291 --> 01:15:05.501 in West Virginia courts. 01:15:05.584 --> 01:15:07.545 - Oh, come on. - Let's hear him out. 01:15:07.628 --> 01:15:10.297 It say if a company exposes a community 01:15:10.381 --> 01:15:12.008 to something that makes them sick, 01:15:12.091 --> 01:15:15.302 they must monitor the health of that community indefinitely. 01:15:15.386 --> 01:15:19.265 Everybody get that? You're creating liability from mere exposure. 01:15:19.348 --> 01:15:21.058 It's also unprecedented. 01:15:21.142 --> 01:15:23.269 Exactly! Which is why not six months ago, 01:15:23.352 --> 01:15:25.021 we fought tooth and nail against it. 01:15:25.104 --> 01:15:27.815 And you lost. Our clients have the right 01:15:27.898 --> 01:15:29.734 to avail themselves of the law. 01:15:29.817 --> 01:15:32.319 Potential clients. 01:15:36.490 --> 01:15:37.491 Okay. 01:15:38.117 --> 01:15:41.412 I know you, Rob. I know your passion. 01:15:42.163 --> 01:15:44.415 You got a great settlement for your farmer. 01:15:44.498 --> 01:15:45.833 You should be proud of that. 01:15:46.792 --> 01:15:50.379 And perhaps as the newest partner at this table, 01:15:50.463 --> 01:15:52.006 I should be more circumspect. 01:15:52.089 --> 01:15:56.177 But what he's proposing here is 01:15:56.802 --> 01:15:59.055 nothing less than a shakedown 01:15:59.138 --> 01:16:02.141 - of an iconic American company. - We do not represent DuPont. 01:16:02.224 --> 01:16:04.310 No, you don't represent anyone. 01:16:05.978 --> 01:16:07.813 Is this what we have become? 01:16:07.897 --> 01:16:10.649 Plaintiff's attorneys. Ambulance chasers. 01:16:10.733 --> 01:16:12.651 Why don't you just admit it? Rob, you wanna flip. 01:16:12.735 --> 01:16:14.862 You wanna take everything that you know 01:16:14.945 --> 01:16:17.364 about how chemical companies operate 01:16:17.448 --> 01:16:19.909 and turn it against DuPont. Like an informant. 01:16:19.992 --> 01:16:21.077 - That's enough. - Isn't that right? 01:16:21.202 --> 01:16:22.536 - Okay! - Isn't that right? 01:16:22.620 --> 01:16:23.996 - Isn't that right? - Yes. 01:16:24.538 --> 01:16:27.958 Okay, then, I... I say we take a vote 01:16:28.042 --> 01:16:30.169 and determine whether or not 01:16:30.252 --> 01:16:31.754 we continue in the tradition 01:16:31.837 --> 01:16:34.173 that has distinguished this firm from everyone else... 01:16:34.256 --> 01:16:36.717 Okay, I'm running this meeting. Okay? 01:16:37.384 --> 01:16:38.385 You got that? 01:16:39.386 --> 01:16:41.055 Has anyone even read the evidence 01:16:41.138 --> 01:16:42.223 this man has collected? 01:16:43.432 --> 01:16:45.726 The willful negligence, the corruption? 01:16:47.186 --> 01:16:48.187 Read it! 01:16:48.979 --> 01:16:50.856 And then tell me we should be sitting on our asses! 01:16:51.649 --> 01:16:55.528 That's the reason why Americans hate lawyers. 01:16:56.320 --> 01:16:59.365 This is the crap that fuels the Ralph Naders of the world. 01:16:59.448 --> 01:17:02.159 We should want to nail DuPont. 01:17:03.035 --> 01:17:04.995 All of us should! 01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:07.289 American business is better than this, gentlemen. 01:17:07.373 --> 01:17:10.000 And when it's not, we should hold them to it. 01:17:10.084 --> 01:17:12.169 That's how you build faith in the system. 01:17:13.546 --> 01:17:16.298 We're always arguing that companies are people. 01:17:17.341 --> 01:17:20.803 Well, these people have crossed the line! 01:17:21.929 --> 01:17:23.597 To hell with them! 01:17:27.309 --> 01:17:28.811 It may come as a surprise 01:17:28.894 --> 01:17:31.814 to corporate defense types like yourselves, 01:17:31.897 --> 01:17:33.774 but there's more to the law than just flooding 01:17:33.858 --> 01:17:35.442 the other side in papers. 01:17:35.526 --> 01:17:38.737 From where I sit, you have to touch people. 01:17:39.488 --> 01:17:41.407 These girls, they handle the calls 01:17:41.490 --> 01:17:43.659 from the class action members. 01:17:43.742 --> 01:17:46.203 And there's thousands of 'em on any given case. 01:17:46.829 --> 01:17:49.915 And it's here that we come to know their pain. 01:17:49.999 --> 01:17:51.542 Isn't that right, Hazel? 01:17:51.625 --> 01:17:54.920 Yes. We hear it every day 01:17:55.004 --> 01:17:58.174 and it's my job to make a jury feel that pain. 01:17:58.257 --> 01:18:00.759 Not out of pity, but out of fear. 01:18:01.302 --> 01:18:03.637 Whatever it is that happened to my client, 01:18:03.721 --> 01:18:05.514 that juror has to think, 01:18:06.557 --> 01:18:08.100 "That could happen to me." 01:18:08.267 --> 01:18:09.685 You just keep hammering it. 01:18:09.768 --> 01:18:11.937 One part per billion. One part per billion. 01:18:12.021 --> 01:18:14.440 It's their own documents. Their own scientists. 01:18:14.523 --> 01:18:15.566 Absolutely. 01:18:15.649 --> 01:18:18.068 They set that standard, they have to live with it. 01:18:18.152 --> 01:18:20.154 Yeah, I think we can relax, Rob, 01:18:20.237 --> 01:18:23.490 though, there's no way they're gonna prevail with a motion to dismiss. 01:18:23.574 --> 01:18:25.159 This is procedural. 01:18:25.492 --> 01:18:27.411 It's nonsense. We'll get a trial today. 01:18:30.122 --> 01:18:32.374 Okay, I'll catch you guys in there. 01:18:35.961 --> 01:18:37.296 I wouldn't drink that. 01:18:40.883 --> 01:18:41.884 Earl. 01:18:44.011 --> 01:18:45.221 How ya doing? 01:18:46.222 --> 01:18:47.431 Still here. 01:18:49.266 --> 01:18:50.684 That's somethin', right? 01:18:51.810 --> 01:18:53.604 Yes, that's something. 01:18:54.563 --> 01:18:55.689 Good to see ya, Robbie. 01:18:59.485 --> 01:19:00.736 Can't let 'em 01:19:02.238 --> 01:19:03.447 shut you down. 01:19:05.449 --> 01:19:07.910 I won't. I promise. 01:19:08.702 --> 01:19:10.037 Whole world 01:19:11.705 --> 01:19:13.415 needs to know. 01:19:15.542 --> 01:19:18.254 They will, Earl. They will. 01:19:20.339 --> 01:19:23.217 Hey, Rob? It's time. 01:19:25.594 --> 01:19:27.346 I have to go. 01:19:43.779 --> 01:19:45.406 We are here on defendant's motion 01:19:45.489 --> 01:19:49.118 to dismiss the case brought by Mr. Kiger, et al. 01:19:50.369 --> 01:19:54.081 Now, which one of you is Mr. Wallace? 01:19:54.832 --> 01:19:56.458 Edward Wallace, Your Honor, 01:19:56.542 --> 01:19:59.086 on behalf of the E.I. DuPont de Nemours and Company, 01:19:59.169 --> 01:20:00.629 better known as DuPont. 01:20:00.754 --> 01:20:02.256 Yes, I've heard of it. 01:20:02.339 --> 01:20:04.008 - Your motion. - Thank you. 01:20:05.009 --> 01:20:08.887 Your Honor, we're here today because of a uniquely American invention. 01:20:09.638 --> 01:20:10.639 Teflon. 01:20:11.098 --> 01:20:13.809 Since 1961, Teflon has liberated housewives... 01:20:13.892 --> 01:20:16.937 - No, no, no. - Excuse me. Homemakers... 01:20:17.021 --> 01:20:19.315 This is a courtroom, Mr. Wallace. 01:20:19.398 --> 01:20:21.150 Not the Home Shopping Network. 01:20:23.319 --> 01:20:25.279 Plaintiffs have alleged that DuPont 01:20:25.362 --> 01:20:27.406 did not meet its own standard of safety 01:20:27.489 --> 01:20:29.950 with regard to the level of C-8 01:20:30.034 --> 01:20:31.327 in the local water supply. 01:20:32.161 --> 01:20:33.579 That's irrelevant, Your Honor. 01:20:34.246 --> 01:20:35.664 We ask you to dismiss on grounds 01:20:35.748 --> 01:20:37.666 that the only standard that matters, 01:20:37.750 --> 01:20:40.419 is the one that elected government deems safe. 01:20:40.502 --> 01:20:41.628 Not if it's unregulated. 01:20:41.712 --> 01:20:43.797 It's government's job to make these determinations. 01:20:43.881 --> 01:20:45.424 - Not any one company. - It's a trap. 01:20:45.507 --> 01:20:46.884 They can't revert back to... 01:20:46.967 --> 01:20:48.093 I got it. 01:20:48.177 --> 01:20:49.970 Is there a problem, Mr. Deitzler? 01:20:50.054 --> 01:20:51.764 Apologies, Your Honor, 01:20:51.847 --> 01:20:55.517 but DuPont has been hiding the dangers of this chemical 01:20:55.601 --> 01:20:57.936 from the government for a while now. 01:20:58.020 --> 01:21:00.481 And they're asking you to let them off the hook 01:21:00.564 --> 01:21:02.858 because they've succeeded in their strategy. 01:21:02.941 --> 01:21:05.027 Government doesn't regulate C-8. 01:21:05.110 --> 01:21:06.153 Actually, that's not true. 01:21:06.570 --> 01:21:07.571 No, no. 01:21:07.654 --> 01:21:09.698 The West Virginia's C-8 Working Group 01:21:09.782 --> 01:21:11.283 has just issued a standard. 01:21:11.950 --> 01:21:13.118 Here with us today, 01:21:13.202 --> 01:21:14.953 is the governmental official who led that effort, 01:21:15.496 --> 01:21:17.039 Dr. Mary Sue Kimball. 01:21:19.625 --> 01:21:22.127 And, Dr. Kimball, as a senior member 01:21:22.211 --> 01:21:24.463 of the State's Department of Environmental Protection, 01:21:24.546 --> 01:21:26.090 isn't it, in fact, your duty, 01:21:26.215 --> 01:21:27.925 - to protect the citizens of West Virginia... - Mr. Wallace. 01:21:29.426 --> 01:21:30.552 I'll cut to the chase. 01:21:32.221 --> 01:21:33.972 What is the level of C-8 in drinking water 01:21:34.056 --> 01:21:36.225 that the State of West Virginia 01:21:36.767 --> 01:21:38.519 has determined to be completely safe? 01:21:38.602 --> 01:21:39.937 Watch it go from one part per billion to? 01:21:40.020 --> 01:21:41.021 - Five. - Ten? 01:21:41.105 --> 01:21:42.773 150 parts per billion. 01:21:44.149 --> 01:21:46.902 - Welcome to West Virginia. - The levels found in the wells 01:21:46.985 --> 01:21:49.988 of all six water districts represented in this suit, 01:21:50.364 --> 01:21:52.366 do they fall below this maximum level? 01:21:52.449 --> 01:21:53.450 Well below. 01:21:54.660 --> 01:21:55.702 Nothing else, Your Honor. 01:21:57.079 --> 01:21:58.747 Your witness, Mr. Deitzler. 01:21:58.831 --> 01:22:00.290 Wait. Who's on the working group? 01:22:00.374 --> 01:22:01.708 DuPont, of course, and who else? 01:22:01.792 --> 01:22:03.127 - Who did the water testing? - Mr. Deitzler? 01:22:03.210 --> 01:22:04.878 - When was it done? - One moment, Judge. 01:22:04.962 --> 01:22:06.296 What was the sample size? 01:22:06.380 --> 01:22:07.423 We should be able to see... 01:22:07.506 --> 01:22:11.427 Going once, going twice... 01:22:11.510 --> 01:22:15.431 Dr. Kimball, who were the members of this cabal 01:22:15.514 --> 01:22:17.141 you call the C-8 working group? 01:22:17.224 --> 01:22:18.684 Objection. 01:22:19.017 --> 01:22:20.561 Cool it, Mr. Deitzler. 01:22:22.104 --> 01:22:23.439 Go ahead, Dr. Kimball. 01:22:23.897 --> 01:22:25.315 Agency officials, 01:22:25.399 --> 01:22:29.069 representatives of the scientific community, um, stakeholders. 01:22:29.153 --> 01:22:30.904 Stakeholders? Which stakeholders? 01:22:30.988 --> 01:22:34.450 Oh, wait, let me guess. It rhymes with bouffant? 01:22:35.617 --> 01:22:37.369 DuPont is a stakeholder. Yes. 01:22:37.453 --> 01:22:38.620 So, I see. 01:22:38.704 --> 01:22:40.956 So, don't you find it peculiar that on the eve 01:22:41.457 --> 01:22:43.125 of a class action lawsuit, 01:22:43.208 --> 01:22:46.712 where DuPont might be considered liable 01:22:46.795 --> 01:22:49.298 for poisoning this community, 01:22:49.381 --> 01:22:52.217 they get you to come in here suddenly 01:22:52.301 --> 01:22:56.096 and reverse decades of their so-called heralded science? 01:22:57.222 --> 01:22:59.183 That's false. I don't work for DuPont. 01:22:59.266 --> 01:23:00.517 I didn't say you did. 01:23:01.351 --> 01:23:03.479 But now you bring it up, we'll check back in a month. 01:23:03.562 --> 01:23:05.272 - Your Honor... - You honestly, was gonna plan on 01:23:05.355 --> 01:23:10.194 telling this community that they can drink 150 times more C-8? 01:23:10.277 --> 01:23:11.987 I mean, come on, people, bottoms up. 01:23:12.070 --> 01:23:13.071 Honestly, Judge... 01:23:13.155 --> 01:23:15.324 All right, Mr. Deitzler, enough. 01:23:16.575 --> 01:23:18.076 We'll be unveiling the new standard 01:23:18.160 --> 01:23:19.620 at an upcoming public hearing. 01:23:20.287 --> 01:23:23.207 Unveiling. Oh, that sounds like a party. 01:23:24.041 --> 01:23:25.042 We'll be there! 01:23:31.048 --> 01:23:33.800 Their safety standards thing, that's all a sham. 01:23:33.884 --> 01:23:35.636 Thanks to the Judge's decision, 01:23:35.719 --> 01:23:37.638 we will have our day in court. 01:23:37.721 --> 01:23:38.931 Yes, we will! 01:23:39.014 --> 01:23:41.350 Because if the state of West Virginia 01:23:41.433 --> 01:23:43.310 won't stop the DuPont Corporation 01:23:43.393 --> 01:23:45.646 from literally poisoning its citizens, 01:23:45.729 --> 01:23:49.066 then we, the citizens, will stop them ourselves. 01:23:51.193 --> 01:23:53.487 Good evening and welcome to 20/20. 01:23:53.570 --> 01:23:57.866 Well, it coats the pots you cook with so the food doesn't stick. 01:23:57.950 --> 01:24:01.078 It protects the carpet your baby crawls on. 01:24:01.161 --> 01:24:02.955 I miss carpet. 01:24:03.038 --> 01:24:05.249 ...your skin lotion, even your makeup. 01:24:05.332 --> 01:24:07.209 We're talking about Teflon. 01:24:07.292 --> 01:24:10.295 And tonight our 20/20 investigation uncovers 01:24:10.379 --> 01:24:14.550 alarming information about this much-used material. 01:24:14.633 --> 01:24:17.177 It is very alarming, Barbara. I cook with Teflon. 01:24:17.261 --> 01:24:20.389 I didn't know until I watched this report that you're about to see, 01:24:20.472 --> 01:24:22.182 that if Teflon gets hot enough... 01:24:22.266 --> 01:24:24.059 ...millions of people have in their homes. 01:24:24.142 --> 01:24:25.435 Teflon has become such a familiar... 01:24:25.519 --> 01:24:28.689 ...Substance that is also used in clothing and cars. Even in contact lenses. 01:24:28.772 --> 01:24:32.109 ...already found in the blood of most Americans. 01:24:35.445 --> 01:24:38.407 ...millions of homes across Australia. Teflon, a non-stick surface... 01:24:38.490 --> 01:24:40.576 The Environmental Protection Agency 01:24:40.659 --> 01:24:45.581 this morning announced it has opened a priority review of the chemical C-8, 01:24:45.664 --> 01:24:48.292 currently the subject of a class action lawsuit 01:24:48.375 --> 01:24:50.252 against the chemical giant DuPont. 01:24:50.335 --> 01:24:51.336 Joe! 01:24:53.463 --> 01:24:56.466 Joe! Oh, my Lord! Joe, just wait! 01:24:56.550 --> 01:24:59.553 Wait for the fire department, please, honey! 01:24:59.928 --> 01:25:01.930 Please don't go crazy! 01:25:02.014 --> 01:25:03.890 ...have triggered a mass panic amongst Chinese consumers. 01:25:03.974 --> 01:25:06.727 ...just throw away your non-stick pans, many experts... 01:25:06.810 --> 01:25:09.021 Are your pans making you sick? 01:25:09.104 --> 01:25:10.814 That's the question being asked... 01:25:10.897 --> 01:25:14.067 ...kitchen implements coated in Teflon. 01:25:14.693 --> 01:25:17.696 The house was empty. It belongs to my father. 01:25:18.071 --> 01:25:20.157 I don't know how it could've started. 01:25:20.240 --> 01:25:21.491 His name Kiger? 01:25:23.118 --> 01:25:25.245 Think someone might have got the wrong house? 01:25:33.837 --> 01:25:36.965 All of this hullabaloo is just silly. 01:25:37.883 --> 01:25:41.094 Teflon is completely safe for cooking. 01:25:41.178 --> 01:25:43.972 That is why we founded the Cook Healthy campaign, 01:25:44.056 --> 01:25:45.599 to set the record straight. 01:25:45.724 --> 01:25:50.646 And besides being completely safe, it is also... 01:25:57.903 --> 01:25:59.112 Copy that. 01:26:02.115 --> 01:26:03.492 All the way down. 01:27:08.223 --> 01:27:09.307 We're now on the record. 01:27:09.391 --> 01:27:13.270 This is the videotaped deposition of Charles O. Holliday, Jr., 01:27:13.353 --> 01:27:16.314 taken by the plaintiffs in the matter of Kiger et al 01:27:16.398 --> 01:27:19.609 v. the E.I. DuPont de Nemours and Company. 01:27:19.693 --> 01:27:21.403 Raise your right hand. 01:27:22.112 --> 01:27:24.823 Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? 01:27:24.906 --> 01:27:26.032 I do. 01:27:27.451 --> 01:27:29.411 Uh, please state your name. 01:27:30.203 --> 01:27:31.955 Charles O. Holliday, Jr. 01:27:32.372 --> 01:27:35.751 And are you presently employed? 01:27:36.668 --> 01:27:37.836 Yes. 01:27:38.295 --> 01:27:40.338 What is your position? 01:27:41.298 --> 01:27:44.551 I'm the chairman and chief executive officer of the DuPont Company. 01:27:45.886 --> 01:27:50.515 In DuPont's most recent filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, 01:27:50.599 --> 01:27:55.020 you state, "Based on over 50 years of industry experience 01:27:55.103 --> 01:27:57.355 "and extensive scientific study, 01:27:57.439 --> 01:28:01.443 "DuPont believes there is no evidence that PFOA causes 01:28:01.526 --> 01:28:05.947 "any adverse human health effects or harms the environment." 01:28:06.031 --> 01:28:08.158 You signed that legal filing, correct? 01:28:08.241 --> 01:28:10.994 I don't recall the exact statement, but that sounds right to me. 01:28:11.077 --> 01:28:15.123 Are you aware that DuPont has, in its own files, 01:28:15.207 --> 01:28:20.212 studies dating back to the 1970s that say just the opposite? 01:28:20.504 --> 01:28:23.423 That PFOA, or C-8, as it's called, 01:28:23.507 --> 01:28:26.593 has potentially life-threatening effects on human health? 01:28:26.676 --> 01:28:29.596 I'm not familiar with the exact studies we may have in our files. 01:28:29.679 --> 01:28:32.974 Then I'll take you through them. Uh, Exhibit 9. 01:28:38.313 --> 01:28:41.775 Uh, you were just handed Exhibit 9. 01:28:42.108 --> 01:28:46.196 - Uh, do you see the date March 13th, 1979? - Yes. 01:28:46.321 --> 01:28:49.032 - Do you see the DuPont logo at the top? - Yes. 01:28:49.157 --> 01:28:52.869 - Do you see this word here, highlighted? - Yes. 01:28:52.953 --> 01:28:55.622 - Would you read it for me, please? - "Receptors." 01:28:56.456 --> 01:29:00.085 Do you know what that word refers to, receptors? 01:29:00.627 --> 01:29:03.547 Um, in this context, I do not. 01:29:03.630 --> 01:29:05.257 It means human beings. 01:29:05.757 --> 01:29:07.843 DuPont refers to the men and women 01:29:07.926 --> 01:29:11.680 that your company exposed to C-8 as receptors. 01:29:11.763 --> 01:29:16.393 And in these receptors, your scientists found, 01:29:16.476 --> 01:29:20.730 "significantly higher incidents of allergic endocrine 01:29:20.814 --> 01:29:22.691 "and metabolic disorders." 01:29:22.774 --> 01:29:27.404 As well as, "excess risk of developing liver disease." 01:29:27.487 --> 01:29:29.489 - Do you see that? - Yes. 01:29:31.157 --> 01:29:34.619 Moreover, you have infertility at Teflon. 01:29:34.703 --> 01:29:36.955 Occurrences of leukemia. 01:29:37.038 --> 01:29:39.332 You have excess of cancers. 01:29:39.416 --> 01:29:41.459 Bladder, kidney, oral, pharynx. 01:29:41.543 --> 01:29:44.045 Next paragraph. 78. 01:29:44.129 --> 01:29:46.673 Do you see that heading? Do you see that date? Do you see that? 01:29:46.756 --> 01:29:49.259 Exhibit 96. Exhibit 53. 01:29:49.342 --> 01:29:51.428 I'd like to move on to birth defects. 01:29:51.511 --> 01:29:52.679 We've gone almost seven hours. 01:29:52.762 --> 01:29:55.640 Mr. Holliday, you're aware that in 1981 01:29:55.724 --> 01:29:59.477 3M notified DuPont that it had conducted studies on rats. 01:29:59.561 --> 01:30:00.979 And these studies showed 01:30:01.062 --> 01:30:04.900 that sustained C-8 exposure can cause facial deformities? 01:30:04.983 --> 01:30:06.735 I'm not aware of a study by 3M. 01:30:06.818 --> 01:30:11.406 How about DuPont's own studies that showed the same thing in humans? 01:30:14.492 --> 01:30:18.288 That's DuPont's pregnancy study from 1981. 01:30:18.580 --> 01:30:20.165 Does that look like a DuPont document to you? 01:30:20.248 --> 01:30:21.333 It looks to be. 01:30:23.376 --> 01:30:27.047 Are you aware that DuPont has denied that any such study 01:30:27.130 --> 01:30:29.591 ever even took place? 01:30:30.884 --> 01:30:33.553 I'm not familiar with specific statements we've made about that. 01:30:33.637 --> 01:30:37.307 Seven pregnant women, all DuPont employees, 01:30:37.390 --> 01:30:39.434 all from the Teflon line. 01:30:40.226 --> 01:30:42.312 Do you see this here? 01:30:42.395 --> 01:30:46.816 "Child, four months, one nostril, 01:30:46.900 --> 01:30:49.110 - "eye defect." - Yes. 01:30:49.194 --> 01:30:52.405 Two of the seven women, nearly 30%, gave birth 01:30:52.489 --> 01:30:56.368 to babies that had the exact facial deformities that your company 01:30:56.451 --> 01:30:58.703 - already knew about. - We're done here. 01:31:00.872 --> 01:31:01.998 Sir. 01:31:03.375 --> 01:31:05.210 His parents named him Bucky. 01:31:08.922 --> 01:31:10.298 Bucky Bailey. 01:31:12.175 --> 01:31:14.552 This is your receptor. 01:31:23.019 --> 01:31:24.396 Now we're done. 01:33:01.409 --> 01:33:05.121 The Environmental Protection Agency has levied the largest fine 01:33:05.205 --> 01:33:09.042 in agency history against the chemical giant, DuPont. 01:33:09.501 --> 01:33:14.130 The EPA concluded the company failed to report the health dangers of C-8 01:33:14.214 --> 01:33:16.800 used in the manufacture of Teflon. 01:33:17.300 --> 01:33:21.054 Dupont will pay the EPA 16.5 million. 01:33:22.347 --> 01:33:26.351 It earns a billion dollars in profits from Teflon each year. 01:33:33.483 --> 01:33:34.818 To recap, 01:33:34.901 --> 01:33:38.113 we've agreed that DuPont will clean local water supplies. 01:33:38.196 --> 01:33:41.783 Install infiltration systems in all six water districts. 01:33:42.700 --> 01:33:46.412 Additionally, DuPont will pay 70 million in cash to the Class. 01:33:46.496 --> 01:33:48.706 Three days' revenue on the Teflon line. 01:33:49.874 --> 01:33:53.753 Which leaves our most challenging issue. Medical monitoring. 01:33:53.837 --> 01:33:56.923 We've agreed to establish an independent science panel 01:33:57.006 --> 01:34:01.553 comprised of three scientists who have no relationship to either side. 01:34:02.387 --> 01:34:05.849 This independent panel will study the members of this Class 01:34:05.932 --> 01:34:09.769 to determine whether C-8 exposure has led to increased incidents 01:34:09.853 --> 01:34:11.855 of disease in this region. 01:34:12.647 --> 01:34:15.483 If the panel finds that there are probable scientific links 01:34:15.567 --> 01:34:18.987 to a particular disease, the health of everyone in the Class 01:34:19.070 --> 01:34:22.991 will be monitored for that disease in perpetuity 01:34:23.074 --> 01:34:26.494 at DuPont's cost, up to 235 million. 01:34:26.578 --> 01:34:29.372 And any Class member who develops that disease 01:34:29.455 --> 01:34:32.125 can sue DuPont for damages. 01:34:32.959 --> 01:34:34.127 However... 01:34:34.711 --> 01:34:38.631 If the science panel fails to establish probable scientific links, 01:34:39.340 --> 01:34:40.508 then this case is over. 01:34:40.592 --> 01:34:44.137 No monitoring. No lawsuits. No exceptions. 01:34:44.929 --> 01:34:48.600 Good. Well, gentlemen, you are now officially in the hands of science. 01:34:49.934 --> 01:34:54.397 Well, wouldn't have pegged you as a Mai Tai guy. 01:34:55.273 --> 01:34:57.734 - It's festive. - Wouldn't have pegged you for that either. 01:34:57.817 --> 01:35:00.570 We have something to celebrate. Yeah? 01:35:00.653 --> 01:35:01.738 Do we? 01:35:03.072 --> 01:35:06.868 Look, how do we know that the panel's gonna prove 01:35:06.951 --> 01:35:09.579 that DuPont made all these people sick? 01:35:10.330 --> 01:35:12.832 I'm no scientist, but even I know you'd need 01:35:12.916 --> 01:35:15.752 huge amounts of medical data, not to mention 01:35:15.835 --> 01:35:17.503 thousands of blood samples and... 01:35:17.587 --> 01:35:19.839 From people who don't trust us. 01:35:19.923 --> 01:35:23.218 "Hey, folks, we wanna stick you with some needles. You won't mind, will ya?" 01:35:24.385 --> 01:35:26.804 I know these people, you know. 01:35:27.513 --> 01:35:30.058 They're gonna take the money and run. 01:35:30.141 --> 01:35:31.267 Wouldn't you? 01:35:31.351 --> 01:35:36.022 I think they want more than just the money. I think they... 01:35:36.981 --> 01:35:39.525 They wanna know if they're gonna get sick or not. 01:35:39.609 --> 01:35:42.612 Or if they have C-8 in their blood, and what that's gonna do 01:35:42.695 --> 01:35:45.114 to them and their families. 01:35:46.366 --> 01:35:48.868 So, we're just gonna trust that they show up? 01:35:48.952 --> 01:35:52.413 - Trust, but verify. - What does that mean, Rob? 01:35:53.706 --> 01:35:56.751 Well, come in for an exam. 01:35:56.834 --> 01:36:00.213 Um, give us a blood sample. 01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:02.966 Then, we'll give you your check. 01:36:05.843 --> 01:36:07.929 On second thought, make mine a Mai Tai. 01:36:08.012 --> 01:36:09.013 All around, please. 01:36:10.431 --> 01:36:12.558 - Rob Bilott. - Yeah. 01:36:12.684 --> 01:36:14.852 Where'd you pull that out of? 01:36:15.061 --> 01:36:17.563 Healthy drinking water is vital to all of us. 01:36:17.647 --> 01:36:20.733 That's why scientists need to know if the chemical C-8 01:36:20.817 --> 01:36:22.318 causes any health problems. 01:36:22.402 --> 01:36:26.197 Starting today, you can help by completing a health questionnaire and having... 01:36:29.242 --> 01:36:31.035 Oh, come on! 01:36:31.119 --> 01:36:32.912 ...medical van's downtown. Well, how about you? 01:36:32.996 --> 01:36:37.000 - You gonna get your blood tested? - Nah. I hate needles. 01:36:37.083 --> 01:36:39.127 It's $400, buddy. 01:36:39.919 --> 01:36:40.920 Really? 01:36:41.004 --> 01:36:43.131 Got your attention, didn't I? 01:37:11.743 --> 01:37:15.204 Okay. Okay. All right. All right. 01:37:15.788 --> 01:37:17.498 Yeah. That'll work. 01:37:17.582 --> 01:37:19.250 We bring them back here. 01:37:20.376 --> 01:37:22.879 Draw the blood, hand them a check. 01:37:22.962 --> 01:37:25.214 - $400? - Each. 01:37:25.298 --> 01:37:27.133 Lots of money around here. 01:37:27.300 --> 01:37:29.052 How many you brought with you today, Miss LUAnn? 01:37:29.135 --> 01:37:31.512 My husband, and my three kids, and me. 01:37:31.596 --> 01:37:33.056 $2,000. 01:37:33.139 --> 01:37:35.975 - Not too shabby right before Christmas. - Yup. 01:37:36.976 --> 01:37:39.062 But you ain't gonna find nothing. 01:37:39.145 --> 01:37:42.231 DuPont's good people. You'll see. 01:37:45.985 --> 01:37:47.445 Gigi, Gigi, Gigi! 01:37:47.528 --> 01:37:50.531 It's your turn to put the angel on the top. 01:37:51.032 --> 01:37:53.409 - You do it, sweetie. - Gigi's too pooped. 01:37:53.493 --> 01:37:56.454 Why don't you get your Uncle Ben to give you a boost? 01:37:56.537 --> 01:37:59.499 - Ooh. - Mom, you okay? 01:37:59.582 --> 01:38:00.583 Yeah. 01:38:00.666 --> 01:38:02.168 Seriously, it's huge. 01:38:02.251 --> 01:38:04.170 They're gonna be making you partner this year. I know it. 01:38:04.253 --> 01:38:06.130 Well, they'd better. I mean... 01:38:06.381 --> 01:38:08.007 Mommy, come see! 01:38:08.091 --> 01:38:09.175 Hey, baby, did you hang that ornament? 01:38:09.258 --> 01:38:11.260 - Rob, can you get that? - Let me see. 01:38:11.344 --> 01:38:12.553 Okay, I'm coming. 01:38:16.557 --> 01:38:17.558 Hello? 01:38:17.642 --> 01:38:20.019 - Rob, you sitting down for this? - Larry, what's wrong? 01:38:20.103 --> 01:38:23.523 - Sixty-nine thousand. - Sixty-nine thousand what? 01:38:23.606 --> 01:38:26.734 Sixty-nine thousand people got tested. Sixty-nine thousand! 01:38:26.818 --> 01:38:28.945 Do you realize how much data this is? 01:38:29.028 --> 01:38:30.363 It's what we needed, Rob! This is it! 01:38:30.446 --> 01:38:32.949 - Oh, my God. - You were right all along, my friend. 01:38:33.032 --> 01:38:34.450 - Merry Christmas! - Thank you! 01:38:34.534 --> 01:38:36.035 - You bet. - Thank you! 01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:37.412 Talk real soon. 01:38:39.122 --> 01:38:41.082 - Hey, who was that? - You won't believe it. 01:38:41.165 --> 01:38:43.793 - Daddy, guess what I just did? - What? What'd you just do? 01:38:43.876 --> 01:38:45.711 I put the angel on the top. 01:38:45.795 --> 01:38:47.171 - Yeah? - Uncle Ben lifted me. 01:38:47.255 --> 01:38:49.882 He did? Like this? Oh! 01:38:49.966 --> 01:38:53.761 - Merry Christmas, everyone! - Merry Christmas! 01:39:08.568 --> 01:39:13.114 We are gathered here today in the memory of Wilbur Earl Tennant. 01:39:13.614 --> 01:39:16.492 "The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want. 01:39:17.076 --> 01:39:19.745 "He makes me lie down in green pastures. 01:39:20.246 --> 01:39:25.084 "He leads me besides still waters. He restoreth my soul. 01:39:25.168 --> 01:39:28.671 "Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, 01:39:28.754 --> 01:39:30.923 "I will fear no evil..." 01:40:03.498 --> 01:40:05.124 Quick, everybody. Mustard or ketchup? 01:40:05.208 --> 01:40:07.376 Teddy, for the tenth time, that's my ketchup. 01:40:07.460 --> 01:40:10.463 - Charlie, don't start. - What? It's mine. I got it. 01:40:10.546 --> 01:40:13.216 - He's got his own, okay? - You're that lawyer. 01:40:13.591 --> 01:40:14.759 Finish up. 01:40:16.385 --> 01:40:20.139 My brother's Dale Lamb. You took his blood. Said you'd help him. 01:40:20.890 --> 01:40:23.434 Yeah, I did. We're... We're working on it. I promise. 01:40:23.518 --> 01:40:24.852 He's dead. 01:40:26.604 --> 01:40:28.397 Testicular cancer. 01:40:30.441 --> 01:40:33.069 Left three little boys younger than yours. 01:40:38.282 --> 01:40:40.493 But you enjoy your family. 01:40:43.079 --> 01:40:44.080 Okay. Everybody up. 01:40:44.163 --> 01:40:45.831 - I'm not finished. - I said up. 01:41:24.704 --> 01:41:28.249 Well, Darlene can't even leave the house without being harassed! 01:41:29.542 --> 01:41:33.212 First, they blame us for suing DuPont, 01:41:33.296 --> 01:41:36.757 and now they hate on us 'cause they ain't seen nothing from it! 01:41:36.841 --> 01:41:39.844 - I'm sorry, Joe... - Well, that ain't good enough! 01:41:40.094 --> 01:41:43.639 And they wonder why in the hell it takes four damn years 01:41:43.723 --> 01:41:47.184 to read a lousy blood sample, and I don't blame 'em! 01:41:47.602 --> 01:41:51.731 We trusted you, Rob. We put our faith in you. 01:41:51.814 --> 01:41:54.191 - I know, Joe. I'm so... - All right? 01:41:58.654 --> 01:42:02.742 Isn't there just some kind of a progress report? 01:42:02.825 --> 01:42:06.078 Anything that I can share with these folks? 01:42:06.162 --> 01:42:08.664 I mean, they... They have been waiting. 01:42:08.748 --> 01:42:10.166 I'm sorry, Mr. Bilott. 01:42:10.249 --> 01:42:12.001 The Panel is still in the process of 01:42:12.084 --> 01:42:14.003 analyzing complex data and modeling 01:42:14.086 --> 01:42:16.839 from thousands of samples and medical histories. 01:42:16.964 --> 01:42:20.092 I'm so sorry. Could you hold a moment? 01:42:30.269 --> 01:42:32.438 Charlie, don't pick at your food. 01:42:34.148 --> 01:42:35.399 What's a hooker? 01:42:37.360 --> 01:42:39.111 Where did you learn that? 01:42:39.195 --> 01:42:41.947 He told me that Mary Magdalene was a hooker. 01:42:43.699 --> 01:42:46.869 - What? She was. - You're supposed to say prostitute. 01:42:46.952 --> 01:42:49.372 And then she found God 01:42:49.455 --> 01:42:52.249 and became one of Jesus's most fervent disciples. 01:42:53.959 --> 01:42:55.336 See? I was just teaching him the Bible. 01:42:55.961 --> 01:42:58.422 I can't today. So everybody up. 01:42:59.048 --> 01:43:00.549 Everybody up! 01:43:08.391 --> 01:43:11.602 - Can we still afford it? - What? 01:43:12.561 --> 01:43:13.854 Catholic school. 01:43:29.662 --> 01:43:31.706 My brother's back in rehab. Did you know that? 01:43:34.667 --> 01:43:37.670 - No, I'm sorry. - Today's... 01:43:39.338 --> 01:43:41.799 Today's Mom's first day at chemo. 01:43:42.425 --> 01:43:43.426 I forgot. 01:43:43.509 --> 01:43:46.262 'Cause it's not about your case, Rob. 01:43:46.512 --> 01:43:47.722 Car! 01:43:47.805 --> 01:43:49.098 - Gosh. - Okay. Jimmies. 01:43:55.104 --> 01:43:58.858 Teddy forged my signature, and Tony's quitting football. Tony. 01:43:58.941 --> 01:44:00.943 But how would you know about that, right? 01:44:01.026 --> 01:44:03.112 Because all you see, all that you... 01:44:03.195 --> 01:44:06.699 You... The boys have ever seen is you, obsessing about this... 01:44:11.203 --> 01:44:12.913 Have I ever complained? 01:44:16.667 --> 01:44:19.545 Say something, for God's sakes, Rob! 01:44:19.628 --> 01:44:21.589 - No. - No? 01:44:21.672 --> 01:44:23.466 - No. - No. 01:44:24.508 --> 01:44:26.552 Because I knew that you needed something. 01:44:26.635 --> 01:44:29.388 Some connection... Something. 01:44:29.472 --> 01:44:30.473 And... 01:44:30.890 --> 01:44:31.891 So I took it on. 01:44:33.058 --> 01:44:37.021 But if you want to start accounting, if you want to start with, 01:44:37.104 --> 01:44:39.148 "Oh, can we afford," then... 01:44:42.485 --> 01:44:44.195 I don't know, Rob. 01:44:45.154 --> 01:44:47.907 Can the boys afford a father who can't string two words together? 01:44:47.990 --> 01:44:50.534 Can our marriage afford 13 years of... 01:44:50.618 --> 01:44:52.495 Thirteen years of this? 01:44:55.164 --> 01:44:58.751 How about it, Rob? You wanna talk about it? About our lives? 01:45:02.922 --> 01:45:04.256 Of course not. 01:45:06.008 --> 01:45:08.219 I'll tell Mom you asked about her. 01:45:11.180 --> 01:45:14.558 What in God's name is that Panel doing? Why are we still getting bills? 01:45:14.934 --> 01:45:17.186 Overhead. Uh... 01:45:17.269 --> 01:45:18.354 Local counsel. 01:45:18.437 --> 01:45:21.023 - Harry's call center... - $1,000 an hour. 01:45:21.106 --> 01:45:23.442 That... That was a technical expert. 01:45:23.526 --> 01:45:27.738 We needed to do filings when DuPont started lobbying Washington... 01:45:27.822 --> 01:45:29.532 That's Washington's problem, not ours. 01:45:29.615 --> 01:45:31.283 That's why you got them involved. Your memo. 01:45:31.367 --> 01:45:34.119 It was just a fine, Tom. It's a fine. Sixteen million. 01:45:34.203 --> 01:45:37.039 It's... It's nothing for these people. It's pocket change. 01:45:37.122 --> 01:45:39.500 Yes, but if they get charged with criminal concealment, game over. 01:45:39.625 --> 01:45:42.253 - You said DOJ was investigating. - Not anymore. 01:45:42.378 --> 01:45:44.213 - What? - They dropped the investigation. 01:45:44.338 --> 01:45:46.841 - They dropped... What? - They dropped it. No reason given. 01:45:49.677 --> 01:45:53.514 Tom, our government is captive to DuPont. 01:45:53.973 --> 01:45:56.809 This case, it's the only hope we have. 01:45:56.892 --> 01:45:59.311 They know that, and they're trying to make it as expensive 01:45:59.395 --> 01:46:02.189 as they can to force you to make me stop. 01:46:04.358 --> 01:46:06.235 - Just tell me how much longer. - I... 01:46:07.319 --> 01:46:10.781 I... I can't. I... wish I could. 01:46:12.366 --> 01:46:13.659 - Tom, I... - Are you okay? 01:46:13.742 --> 01:46:15.286 Um, I'm fine. I'm just... 01:46:15.369 --> 01:46:19.748 Rob, I'm a Managing Partner now. I have a firm to run. 01:46:20.249 --> 01:46:24.086 I know. And Tom, I think there could be a huge payout here... 01:46:24.169 --> 01:46:25.546 You think I'm in this for money? 01:46:26.338 --> 01:46:27.464 - No, I... - You think I am... 01:46:27.548 --> 01:46:32.011 Letting you drag this firm's reputation through a meat grinder 01:46:32.094 --> 01:46:33.721 for some kind of plaintiff's payoff? 01:46:36.181 --> 01:46:38.893 I... I don't know why you're doing it. 01:46:43.147 --> 01:46:45.441 Rob, listen, I... I'm sorry, 01:46:45.524 --> 01:46:48.110 but you're gonna have to take another pay cut. 01:46:48.193 --> 01:46:51.113 Tom, that's... That's my fourth pay cut. 01:46:51.196 --> 01:46:54.158 I... I'm down to a third now. 01:46:54.241 --> 01:46:56.493 You don't have any clients. No one will take your calls. 01:46:58.203 --> 01:47:02.458 What am I supposed to do here? Now, I'm on your side, but... 01:47:02.791 --> 01:47:03.792 Rob? 01:47:04.710 --> 01:47:07.129 Amy? Amy! 01:47:07.212 --> 01:47:09.214 - Kathleen! - Get some help! 01:47:09.298 --> 01:47:10.758 - Kathleen! - Get some help! 01:47:11.133 --> 01:47:13.135 Rob! Rob! 01:47:23.354 --> 01:47:25.564 Looks like we should, uh, cancel 01:47:25.648 --> 01:47:28.776 my 4:00 with Jerry and... 01:47:28.859 --> 01:47:31.445 I don't know. We're waiting to find out. 01:47:31.528 --> 01:47:32.613 It was, uh... 01:47:35.783 --> 01:47:38.452 Make... Make sure that, uh, Jerry knows that... 01:47:39.787 --> 01:47:41.330 I... I have to go. 01:47:42.206 --> 01:47:43.707 - Mrs. Bilott? - Yes. 01:47:43.791 --> 01:47:47.002 We think your husband's most likely experienced a TIA. 01:47:47.086 --> 01:47:49.296 A transient ischemic attack. 01:47:49.380 --> 01:47:53.801 Blood is briefly cut off to the brain, mimicking the symptoms of a stroke. 01:47:55.302 --> 01:47:59.306 Uh, excuse me. A TIA? This wasn't short. 01:47:59.515 --> 01:48:01.892 It... It kept going on. 01:48:01.976 --> 01:48:03.310 What about poison? 01:48:03.936 --> 01:48:05.270 I'm sorry? 01:48:05.771 --> 01:48:08.023 Could someone be poisoning him? 01:48:08.107 --> 01:48:11.443 No, Mrs. Bilott. This is neurological. 01:48:12.111 --> 01:48:13.737 You just said it wasn't a stroke. 01:48:13.821 --> 01:48:15.614 Well, not this time. 01:48:15.698 --> 01:48:17.241 - What does that mean? - Well, it means that 01:48:17.366 --> 01:48:19.368 - he needs to never miss his medication. - Mmm-hmm. 01:48:19.451 --> 01:48:22.621 And needs to reduce all sources of stress in his life. 01:48:22.955 --> 01:48:25.290 He's under enormous pressure at work. 01:48:26.000 --> 01:48:29.211 Well, that needs to change. But he's a young man. 01:48:29.294 --> 01:48:30.671 He shouldn't be having these incidences. 01:48:32.381 --> 01:48:34.341 He's sedated, but you can see him. 01:48:34.466 --> 01:48:37.720 - I'll check in on him tomorrow. - Thank you. Thank you. 01:48:45.310 --> 01:48:47.896 I'll give you some privacy. 01:48:49.773 --> 01:48:52.651 Anything you need, call me. 01:48:56.030 --> 01:48:58.741 I need you to stop making him feel like a failure. 01:49:05.205 --> 01:49:09.084 I appreciate the stress that your family must be going through. 01:49:09.168 --> 01:49:12.629 Please don't talk to me like I'm the wife. 01:49:16.383 --> 01:49:19.595 Did Rob ever tell you about moving around as a kid? 01:49:20.387 --> 01:49:21.930 I... 01:49:22.014 --> 01:49:24.725 Ten times before senior year. 01:49:24.808 --> 01:49:26.852 No friends, no ties, no... 01:49:26.935 --> 01:49:29.480 Just him, his sister, his folks. 01:49:31.565 --> 01:49:33.817 Then I came along and you came along and... 01:49:36.278 --> 01:49:38.489 Taft, it's not just a job. 01:49:38.572 --> 01:49:41.492 To him it's... It's home. 01:49:45.245 --> 01:49:47.790 And he was willing to risk all that 01:49:48.082 --> 01:49:50.626 for a stranger who needed his help. 01:49:52.127 --> 01:49:57.132 Now, you and I may not know what that is, 01:49:59.343 --> 01:50:01.261 but it's not failure. 01:50:35.587 --> 01:50:39.842 Lord, you have searched my heart 01:50:40.259 --> 01:50:45.264 And you know when I sit and when I stand 01:50:45.764 --> 01:50:48.976 Your hand is upon me 01:50:49.059 --> 01:50:52.521 Protecting me from death 01:50:52.688 --> 01:50:57.818 Keeping me from harm 01:50:59.736 --> 01:51:05.909 Oh, Lord, I know you are near 01:51:10.330 --> 01:51:15.252 Standing always at 01:51:15.335 --> 01:51:18.505 My side 01:51:45.741 --> 01:51:48.035 Hey, do you know the score? 01:51:49.328 --> 01:51:53.040 The game? Sorry, my radio's busted. 01:51:54.666 --> 01:51:55.959 Sorry. 01:51:56.251 --> 01:51:58.212 Don't worry about it. It'll be a surprise. 01:51:58.503 --> 01:52:00.172 Bucky, come on. We'll be late. 01:52:02.007 --> 01:52:03.050 Have a good one. 01:53:45.527 --> 01:53:47.863 Hey, Rob, Bill Leary. We haven't met. 01:53:48.363 --> 01:53:50.115 I'm the new comptroller out of Indianapolis. 01:53:50.449 --> 01:53:53.744 Listen, we need to talk about these unbilled hours and these unreimbursed... 01:54:10.427 --> 01:54:12.888 - Hello? - Mr. Bilott? 01:54:13.513 --> 01:54:14.681 Yes? 01:54:14.765 --> 01:54:17.934 I guess I should start by apologizing for taking... 01:54:18.352 --> 01:54:20.604 well, seven years to call you. 01:54:20.687 --> 01:54:22.689 - Who is this? - Oh, yes, of course. 01:54:22.814 --> 01:54:26.568 - It's Dr. Karen Frank from the... - Science Panel? 01:54:27.944 --> 01:54:31.740 Again, I'm so sorry to have kept you waiting this long, Mr. Bilott. 01:54:32.115 --> 01:54:34.868 - But there was just so much data... - Please, Doctor, please, 01:54:35.202 --> 01:54:36.203 can you... 01:54:36.286 --> 01:54:38.497 Would just please tell me what's happened? 01:54:38.580 --> 01:54:41.291 What's happening? What you've found out? 01:54:41.375 --> 01:54:44.711 Yes. You gave us an unprecedented amount of data. 01:54:45.295 --> 01:54:48.298 The largest epidemiological study in human history. 01:54:49.049 --> 01:54:53.136 It's irrefutable. We have linked sustained exposure to C-8 01:54:53.220 --> 01:54:56.765 to six categories of serious illness. 01:55:01.645 --> 01:55:04.815 Kidney cancer, testicular cancer... 01:55:05.399 --> 01:55:08.151 thyroid disease, preeclampsia... 01:55:08.235 --> 01:55:10.987 high cholesterol, ulcerative colitis. 01:55:12.322 --> 01:55:16.118 3,635 people in the Class already have these diseases. 01:55:17.035 --> 01:55:18.829 Many more will develop them. 01:55:20.831 --> 01:55:24.167 Thanks to you the entire Class will be monitored... 01:55:24.251 --> 01:55:27.546 and those who get sick can seek restitution. 01:55:29.297 --> 01:55:32.801 You did a good thing here, Mr. Bilott. You did good. 01:55:35.512 --> 01:55:37.097 Thank you. 01:57:30.126 --> 01:57:33.547 Rob? What happened? 01:57:38.009 --> 01:57:39.469 Rob? 01:57:41.721 --> 01:57:43.473 DuPont, they're reneging. 01:57:45.809 --> 01:57:48.103 - Which part? - All of it. 01:57:49.104 --> 01:57:50.647 They're tearing up our agreement. 01:57:51.022 --> 01:57:52.566 Rejecting the Science Panel. 01:57:52.649 --> 01:57:55.986 They're gonna fight every claim in court. 01:57:56.069 --> 01:57:59.573 Thousands of claims. People, sick people, they'll give up. 01:58:00.240 --> 01:58:01.575 They can't fight DuPont! 01:58:02.033 --> 01:58:04.786 How can they go back on... 01:58:04.911 --> 01:58:06.997 - Sarah. - They can't go back on everything. 01:58:07.080 --> 01:58:08.373 They're a titan of industry. 01:58:08.456 --> 01:58:09.708 They can do whatever the hell they want. 01:58:09.791 --> 01:58:10.959 Nothing else matters. 01:58:11.042 --> 01:58:12.586 They can fight you all they want. 01:58:12.669 --> 01:58:14.337 It doesn't take away from what you've done! 01:58:14.421 --> 01:58:17.674 Of course, it does. That's exactly what it does! 01:58:19.217 --> 01:58:21.344 They want to show the world that it's no use fighting. 01:58:21.428 --> 01:58:24.222 Look, everybody, even he can't crack the maze 01:58:24.306 --> 01:58:25.473 and he's helped build it! 01:58:26.474 --> 01:58:28.351 The system is rigged! 01:58:29.644 --> 01:58:31.521 They want us to think it'll protect us, 01:58:31.605 --> 01:58:32.689 but that's a lie. 01:58:32.772 --> 01:58:34.691 We protect us. We do. 01:58:34.941 --> 01:58:36.067 Nobody else. 01:58:37.986 --> 01:58:40.697 Not the companies. Not the scientists. 01:58:40.780 --> 01:58:42.532 Not the government. Us. 01:58:45.994 --> 01:58:49.164 A farmer with a 12th grade education told me that. 01:58:51.458 --> 01:58:55.837 On day one, he knew and I thought he was crazy. 01:59:03.178 --> 01:59:04.804 Isn't that crazy? 01:59:09.100 --> 01:59:11.102 No. 02:00:16.668 --> 02:00:18.294 All rise. 02:00:18.503 --> 02:00:19.921 The honorable Timothy Burg... 02:00:20.004 --> 02:00:23.466 United States District Judge for the Southern District of Ohio presiding. 02:00:23.550 --> 02:00:26.136 This court is now in session pursuant to the adjournment. 02:00:26.219 --> 02:00:27.929 Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. 02:00:28.012 --> 02:00:30.390 All persons having business with this honorable court 02:00:30.640 --> 02:00:33.518 draw near, give their attention and they shall be heard. 02:00:33.601 --> 02:00:36.354 God save the United States and this honorable court. 02:00:36.438 --> 02:00:38.022 Please be seated. 02:00:38.106 --> 02:00:40.525 And we're here this morning for a jury trial. 02:00:41.151 --> 02:00:45.613 So, 3,535 claims. 02:00:46.156 --> 02:00:48.408 At a rate of four or five cases a year, 02:00:48.491 --> 02:00:50.493 we can all expect to be here till... 02:00:51.578 --> 02:00:54.706 Well, the year 2890. If we're lucky. 02:00:55.582 --> 02:00:56.875 Guess we'd better get started. 02:00:57.542 --> 02:00:59.461 Mrs. Johnson, is your attorney present? 02:01:00.754 --> 02:01:01.755 Good morning, Your Honor. 02:01:01.838 --> 02:01:03.047 Rob Bilott for the plaintiff. 02:01:03.798 --> 02:01:05.884 Oh, still here, huh? 02:01:06.843 --> 02:01:07.844 Still here. 02:02:04.903 --> 02:02:09.903 OCR'd and corrected by explosiveskull www.OpenSubtitles.org